Pilot Extremist Behavior & Ramifications
#31
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They might do it to just to make the point, but I doubt much of anything will stick unless they have him red-handed on video committing a serious crime. They can't CANX his pension for trespassing. Just because somebody dies in a riot, you don't get to charge ALL of the rioters with murder.
But yes, I suspect he's backpedaling.
But yes, I suspect he's backpedaling.
This guy took a big **** on his military career and wiped his ass with his future.
#32
Yes. "Free Speech" only applies to the government (Fed, state, and local)... they cannot restrict your speech.
There are NO, NONE, ZIP, ZERO free speech rights associated with your relationship to non-government people or organizations, including employers. Exception for us is labor organizing activities approved by law... but that's limited, can't necessarily lie or slander managers and get away with it.
I'm confident that my employer would fire this guy immediately (they've done it before).
Word to the wise. Nobody cares about pilots at all... until they achieve public visibility or notoriety in a negative context. Then you get this ^^^
Be careful out there, and your idea of "negative" might be different than some of the public's.
There are NO, NONE, ZIP, ZERO free speech rights associated with your relationship to non-government people or organizations, including employers. Exception for us is labor organizing activities approved by law... but that's limited, can't necessarily lie or slander managers and get away with it.
I'm confident that my employer would fire this guy immediately (they've done it before).
Word to the wise. Nobody cares about pilots at all... until they achieve public visibility or notoriety in a negative context. Then you get this ^^^
Be careful out there, and your idea of "negative" might be different than some of the public's.
For example, kneeling while on duty, being paid and in your employers uniform is okay. Attending a rally on your own time while off duty in plain clothes is not acceptable if it's the "wrong" party.
People are apparently being targeted for job actions that never forced their way into the building, they were just there.
Last edited by Lucifer; 01-10-2021 at 10:11 AM.
#33
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Debatable. Apparently in your society some speech is protected from employer reprisal. It seems to depend more upon what the left and media decide is acceptable.
For example, kneeling while on duty, being paid and in your employers uniform is okay. Attending a rally on your own time while off duty in plain clothes is not acceptable if it's the "wrong" party.
For example, kneeling while on duty, being paid and in your employers uniform is okay. Attending a rally on your own time while off duty in plain clothes is not acceptable if it's the "wrong" party.
If you attend an event in plain clothes and commit an illegal act, like maybe breaking into the Capitol building, and chanting about hanging the Vice President, and people can identify who you are and what company you work for, the company has every right to fire you for damaging their brand.
So here’s the part where you probably want to engage in some kind of whataboutism regarding the BLM protests over the summer. I’ll save you the trouble and say that any BLM protester who engaged in an illegal act deserves to also be fired by their employer if the employer feels that those actions damage their brand. The difference is that most of the BLM protesters were smart enough to wear masks.
#34
Debatable. Apparently in your society some speech is protected from employer reprisal. It seems to depend more upon what the left and media decide is acceptable.
For example, kneeling while on duty, being paid and in your employers uniform is okay. Attending a rally on your own time while off duty in plain clothes is not acceptable if it's the "wrong" party.
People are apparently being targeted for job actions that never forced their way into the building, they were just there.
For example, kneeling while on duty, being paid and in your employers uniform is okay. Attending a rally on your own time while off duty in plain clothes is not acceptable if it's the "wrong" party.
People are apparently being targeted for job actions that never forced their way into the building, they were just there.
It's definitely up to your employer. Frankly they could legally fire you for attending ANY political rally, if they don't like the way it reflects on them. Of course such a termination might also reflect poorly on them, depending.
Safest think to do if you're a pilot or a white-collar worker for a big company is do your politicing on the DL, or just donate money. Or work for a company who's political views align with yours, but most of the big companies are obviously swaying in the PC breeze. So you have to decide between being an airline pilot and biting your tongue, or getting a job as a dispatcher at Joe-Bob's Ready Mix. Joe-Bob won't mind if you attend a conservative rally, he might even go with you.
#35
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I don’t know if you’re military, or how much experience you have with the UCMJ, but that’s the beauty of Article 134, it’s a catch all and they can charge you for anything they feel brings discredit to the armed forces. It doesn’t have to be an actual crime defined by any local, state, or federal statute.
This guy took a big **** on his military career and wiped his ass with his future.
This guy took a big **** on his military career and wiped his ass with his future.
#36
Debatable. Apparently in your society some speech is protected from employer reprisal. It seems to depend more upon what the left and media decide is acceptable.
For example, kneeling while on duty, being paid and in your employers uniform is okay. Attending a rally on your own time while off duty in plain clothes is not acceptable if it's the "wrong" party.
People are apparently being targeted for job actions that never forced their way into the building, they were just there.
For example, kneeling while on duty, being paid and in your employers uniform is okay. Attending a rally on your own time while off duty in plain clothes is not acceptable if it's the "wrong" party.
People are apparently being targeted for job actions that never forced their way into the building, they were just there.
employer can fire you for activities outside of work with few exceptions/restrictions.
government employer has some limits on this when it is a free speech issue
if you are a union member that has a collective work agreement you are subject to that, or an employee with an employment contract that governs off duty conduct
"rioting" and "insurrection" and "trespassing" and "property destruction" are not protected speech/activities and would not prevent termination
it has nothing to do what the media says, despite your feelings. It has to do with what your boss/HR has to say.
#37
Debatable. Apparently in your society some speech is protected from employer reprisal. It seems to depend more upon what the left and media decide is acceptable.
For example, kneeling while on duty, being paid and in your employers uniform is okay. Attending a rally on your own time while off duty in plain clothes is not acceptable if it's the "wrong" party.
People are apparently being targeted for job actions that never forced their way into the building, they were just there.
For example, kneeling while on duty, being paid and in your employers uniform is okay. Attending a rally on your own time while off duty in plain clothes is not acceptable if it's the "wrong" party.
People are apparently being targeted for job actions that never forced their way into the building, they were just there.
Somewhat like hanging with scabs on a layover ... if you did that sort of thing.
#38
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He’ll still be saying the same thing. I’ve tried having actual civil discussions with several people about this issue, and no matter how you present the argument and provide facts with supporting documentation, people refuse to accept it because it conflicts with their desired reality. Sometimes, **** doesn’t go your way... that doesn’t mean you’ve been cheated or robbed, it just means **** didn’t go your way.
#40
He’ll still be saying the same thing. I’ve tried having actual civil discussions with several people about this issue, and no matter how you present the argument and provide facts with supporting documentation, people refuse to accept it because it conflicts with their desired reality. Sometimes, **** doesn’t go your way... that doesn’t mean you’ve been cheated or robbed, it just means **** didn’t go your way.
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