todd1200

Its web address is "http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov..." but if you don't like that study, you can pick a random letter of the alphabet and I could probably find a study from an accredited research organization that makes similar conclusions. What I can't do is find a single study from a single nationally or internationally accredited scientific organization that claims that man is not responsible for global warming -- because not a single one exists.


Again you fall back on logical fallacies. For one thing, whether or not an optimum temperature exists has nothing to do with whether or not the Earth is getting warmer.

You also prove that your fear of government overreach is the reason you question global temperature trends. I also fear government overreach, but I realize that is part of the public policy debate.

You are proving pretty clearly that the debate about global warming has nothing to do with science. Does the Earth's ability to resist a asteroid make it's strike less likely? Would you debate the calculus that predicted a comet's path based on the destruction it would cause?

FDXLAG

Todd your 1st chart shows me we are much better off in the 2000's then the 1920's or the 60 years prior when it appears it was much colder than it is warmer now. I know I prefer a beach in Hawaii to a Lake Erie in January.

Do you see how cold it got when the earth rapidly cooled from 1870 to 1910. Almost looks like an inverse of the last 40 year huh. Frickin nature, cant live with her cant live without her. I say we kill her before she gets us.

KC10 FATboy

My useless anecdotal evidence ...

During the 2009-2010 winter season, I had over three feet of snow in my yard from mid February throughout most of March. Last winter, it only snowed once and that occurred on Halloween (we've had little to no snow before ... several times). However, during that 09-10 season, every east coast state (and some midwestern) broke snow totals and cold temperatures. Those snow records dated back to 1898 and we shattered them!

Rama

Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it | Mail Online

KC10 FATboy

Cattle Mutilations are up ...

Who (or What) is Mutilating Cattle in Colorado? : Discovery News

So are earthquakes in Yellowstone.

Recent Earthquakes for Yellowstone

jungle

Todd none of us argue against the fact that the Earth has been both warmer and cooler, we are just interested in how this came to be, man does not explain the changes since most of them, in fact almost all of them, were made prior to man. Your are talking about a hundred years on a scale of billions of years, but just considering the last 15,000 years makes trash of your argument that man is to blame for warming or cooling.


Why what you say is entirely bogus, two interesting statements:

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/guest...up-science.pdf

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/guest...p-politics.pdf

More food for thought:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-1...asy-manipulate

Finally Todd, if you cannot tell us what the optimum temperature is for Earth, or give us a small range for the optimum, then you are clearly barking without any goal at all. What is too hot, what is too cold and why? How are you going to control the temperature?

KC10 FATboy

Hook, line, sinker.

todd1200

Optimum would be somewhere in the range that supports human life over most of the globe. Warming might be nice for people that live in Greenland, but there are a lot of people living around the equator that are already warm enough, and there are lots of people living in coastal cities that would like to see sea levels stay close to where they are.

I don't claim to have all the answers.

Is the Earth getting warmer?
The data seems to indicate that it is.

Is human activity causing the warming?
There's strong correlation between the release of C02 and the rise in global temperatures.

Is there anything that we can or should do about it?
I don't know, but I do know that the answer to this question has nothing to do with the previous questions.

FDXLAG

So given the mortality rates around the world in the 17th century and today would you say the developement of carbon fuels has been good or bad for mankind?

todd1200

I think it has been a great thing for mankind. I just think it's important to pay attention to unintended consequences -- and I know government intervention produces as many (if not more) of those than its inaction does.