Now THAT is some funny stuff right there.

 

Holy cow. I thought that was a parody site of pilot-selfies. I would think his company would get after him for using enough hair gel to be a fire hazard.


Today's tool is one of "Mike's bubbas" who left their FFDO gun in the bathroom. The second tool is the janitor who took it to his locker.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2562472

But remember, kids, these self-declared heroes of the sky are our "last line of defense!" It is making you safer!

 

So you're going to lump all FFDO's based on this idiot? You make TOLD #3

 

Well, he isn't the first nor will he be the last. Its a program that attracts the worst Barney Fifes in aviation. The only thing FFDOs have prevented are airborne elephant stampedes.

 

I agree there are some bozo's, but not all are like this guy. I know a few that I trust 110% and wouldn't lump them in this category. Why we have the program is a completely different topic.

 

But a highly trained "idiot" as many participants take great pains to point out!

It is a typical flawed lobby-fueled government program based on faulty logic, so the completely voluntary participants hold culpability. But I know YOU'D never leave your gun anywhere, say again. As the young people say, "play stupid games..."

I believe it is TOTD, TOTD.

 

No, they are the same topic. Nobody is perfect, and that is the point. We set ourselves up for failure by such an idiotic program. I consider myself very reliable, but I don't want a gun in a secured area, because of the things that can go wrong while I have other stuff to do and pay attention to. Similarly, I consider myself reliable, and I still use a checklist for many operations of flight. Humans can become distracted; dismissing the guy as "an idiot" doesn't solve the issue.

FFDO program defies common sense and a realistic assessment of the risks of the program against possible benefits. This kind of incident has happened before, and will happen again. Next time the gun may not be found by a benign janitor, which is what a lot of us have been saying for a long time.

 

Yawn.

 

Cardio,
I know this is a difficult to understand, but a gun is a tool. So are fire extinguishers, crash axes and O2 masks. In my life I've had to use 2 of the 4 and I can't tell you how glad I was to have them available.
Math time! If agency x loses 10 guns per 100000 and agency y loses 5/100000, which agency is more "professional"?
No guns inside the secure area is what you want? Well, let's built a Maginot line again, worked great last time, right?
Can't believe I'm helping ruin a great thread like this.

 

I don't want a gun in a secured area either. We are in total agreement. An example of this policy would be prison guards working amongst inmates.

The problem is the area aboard an aircraft or past security at any US airport cannot be considered "secure" in a sense to support your political objection to the FFDO program. It's just one of many statements you have made that offer nothing to the discussion of the program other than you don't like it.

Another problem is your insults towards aviators for whatever reason, have volunteered a significant amount of their personal time and some expense in order to provide another layer of security against a continuing threat. Most employed commercial pilots here could contribute to a 100 page thread on the shortcomings of aviation security, but can't and won't due to obvious security threats that exist today. Yet you still try to bait everyone with your insults.

As for my opinion? Like anything, the FFDO program isn't perfect. Probably all FFDO's understand a weapon isn't some lightsabre or a Darth Vader throat clutch that will stop the world in it's tracks. I am also not going to discuss these limitations with someone that has no training in the program, is not even cleared to work with someone in the program, has ZERO knowledge of any airline operation procedures and policies of the program or any other armed issue with commercial flying.

I've listened to your opinions, but have learned nothing. I've also listened to others with close involvement the program and weigh their opinion far more than yours. This group has included current and former FBI Agents including Hostage Rescue Team member, former military officers including Generals, former members of the Secret Service including Presidential and sniper team details, numerous other active and retired armed Federal Officers from various agencies and even a former Delta Force sniper.

Theses are people I've come into contact with that know the limitations but support the program.