Tool of the day
06-20-2016 | 10:59 AM
#8431
Line Holder
Joined: Mar 2016
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From: 737
First and foremost I was not the pilot
flying. I was the one montioring this guy trying to milk every penny out of a flight ignoring the common knowledge that slow airspeed that is degrading in mountain wave can be impossible to regain. So why not start out with a safe airspeed with a cushion especially if you're planning on sleeping. I don't care if you sleep, but don't make me clean up your messes because you want to make a couple extra dollars while snoozing. You're a tool if you disagree with that you ignoramus.
flying. I was the one montioring this guy trying to milk every penny out of a flight ignoring the common knowledge that slow airspeed that is degrading in mountain wave can be impossible to regain. So why not start out with a safe airspeed with a cushion especially if you're planning on sleeping. I don't care if you sleep, but don't make me clean up your messes because you want to make a couple extra dollars while snoozing. You're a tool if you disagree with that you ignoramus.
So.... You're PF, set the thrust to where it needs to be.
So.... He's asleep, set the thrust to where it needs to be.
So.... The current thrust is inadequate, set the--ah, crap, you know where this is going by now....
FLYBOY may not have been the only tool aboard that flight....
So.... He's asleep, set the thrust to where it needs to be.
So.... The current thrust is inadequate, set the--ah, crap, you know where this is going by now....
FLYBOY may not have been the only tool aboard that flight....
06-20-2016 | 11:19 AM
#8432
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2006
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From: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
First and foremost I was not the pilot
flying. I was the one montioring this guy trying to milk every penny out of a flight ignoring the common knowledge that slow airspeed that is degrading in mountain wave can be impossible to regain. So why not start out with a safe airspeed with a cushion especially if you're planning on sleeping. I don't care if you sleep, but don't make me clean up your messes because you want to make a couple extra dollars while snoozing. You're a tool if you disagree with that you ignoramus.
flying. I was the one montioring this guy trying to milk every penny out of a flight ignoring the common knowledge that slow airspeed that is degrading in mountain wave can be impossible to regain. So why not start out with a safe airspeed with a cushion especially if you're planning on sleeping. I don't care if you sleep, but don't make me clean up your messes because you want to make a couple extra dollars while snoozing. You're a tool if you disagree with that you ignoramus.
Perhaps, next time, you could wake up the PIC and advise him of the wave action, request a lower altitude to get into denser air. The ride may be crappy, but you margin will be greater.
Can you imagine if a jet upset occurred? Who would be held responsible? Yeah, the PIC, and you'd be looking for a new job too.
06-20-2016 | 11:58 AM
#8433
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Joined: Mar 2016
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From: 737
I agree with you and those are good suggestions.
Before the name calling and mud slinging goes any further, perhaps this could be a learning experience for you, as a, let say a Captain in Training.
Perhaps, next time, you could wake up the PIC and advise him of the wave action, request a lower altitude to get into denser air. The ride may be crappy, but you margin will be greater.
Can you imagine if a jet upset occurred? Who would be held responsible? Yeah, the PIC, and you'd be looking for a new job too.
Perhaps, next time, you could wake up the PIC and advise him of the wave action, request a lower altitude to get into denser air. The ride may be crappy, but you margin will be greater.
Can you imagine if a jet upset occurred? Who would be held responsible? Yeah, the PIC, and you'd be looking for a new job too.
06-20-2016 | 12:09 PM
#8434
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Joined: Sep 2011
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From: Hates Commuting
You've stated several times that the guy in the other seat was asleep. WHO was the pilot flying, hmmmm....?
If you think I disagreed at any point that maintaining an appropriate airspeed for prevailing conditions (mountain wave, in this case), you need to re-read my post. If you missed the fact that I was pointing out that YOU were (at least) as responsible as the captain for finding yourself in that situation, you need to re-read my post. If you think that I'm the ignoramus for pointing this out, you need to re-evaluate your critical thinking skills and take a long, hard look in the mirror.
If you think I disagreed at any point that maintaining an appropriate airspeed for prevailing conditions (mountain wave, in this case), you need to re-read my post. If you missed the fact that I was pointing out that YOU were (at least) as responsible as the captain for finding yourself in that situation, you need to re-read my post. If you think that I'm the ignoramus for pointing this out, you need to re-evaluate your critical thinking skills and take a long, hard look in the mirror.
06-20-2016 | 12:14 PM
#8435
Respek
Joined: Jul 2010
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The captain who pulls out his iPad to show me his new truck equipped with a vanity license plate that says "FLYBOY." Then proceeds to set the best Econ fuel thrust setting in a CRJ over the Rockies on a day when moderate to severe mountain wave is reported, then goes to sleep. Fun day of correcting negative trend vectors, max powering out of decreasing airspeed, and listening to FLYBOY sawing logs in the left seat.
06-20-2016 | 12:32 PM
#8437
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Joined: Mar 2016
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From: 737
I didn't find myself in any situation because I did my job and flew the plane (i.e. increased the power and speed to avoid a situation) when he became negligent in performing his duties as pilot flying.
You've stated several times that the guy in the other seat was asleep. WHO was the pilot flying, hmmmm....?
If you think I disagreed at any point that maintaining an appropriate airspeed for prevailing conditions (mountain wave, in this case), you need to re-read my post. If you missed the fact that I was pointing out that YOU were (at least) as responsible as the captain for finding yourself in that situation, you need to re-read my post. If you think that I'm the ignoramus for pointing this out, you need to re-evaluate your critical thinking skills and take a long, hard look in the mirror.
If you think I disagreed at any point that maintaining an appropriate airspeed for prevailing conditions (mountain wave, in this case), you need to re-read my post. If you missed the fact that I was pointing out that YOU were (at least) as responsible as the captain for finding yourself in that situation, you need to re-read my post. If you think that I'm the ignoramus for pointing this out, you need to re-evaluate your critical thinking skills and take a long, hard look in the mirror.
06-20-2016 | 01:11 PM
#8438
Respek
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,938
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I know the place he's put in and it's a very uncomfortable one to be in. You've got guys flying with super senior Captains and they're only a couple years into 121 flying or less and it's hard for them to bring up a concern. I get it all the time and they justify their actions with their years of doing it... It's hard to be the chameleon.
06-20-2016 | 03:54 PM
#8440
Banned
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 757
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From: systems analyst
So.... You're PF, set the thrust to where it needs to be.
So.... He's asleep, set the thrust to where it needs to be.
So.... The current thrust is inadequate, set the--ah, crap, you know where this is going by now....
FLYBOY may not have been the only tool aboard that flight....
So.... He's asleep, set the thrust to where it needs to be.
So.... The current thrust is inadequate, set the--ah, crap, you know where this is going by now....
FLYBOY may not have been the only tool aboard that flight....
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