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07-04-2016 | 12:12 PM
#8461
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From: A320
I'm most of the way through a trip with someone I'm going to call Bob, who is a good nominee for TOTD.
Bob has decided he's on a holy mission from God to correct the fact that everyone doesn't follow the manuals 100% of the time on every leg, and hes singlehandedly going to badger every single FO and flight attendant into compliance.
He started the trip by berating the flight attendants for going to get coffee after their 5am check in, since he needed to give them a stupidly detailed weather breifing that contained zero useful information.
Once in the airplane, he then yelled at one of the FA's for setting their coffee inside the flight deck door, citing a rule about open beverages that's actually intended to keep pilots from putting cup holders over the circuit breaker panels.
When the APU is running and the cabin reaches a nice temperature during boarding , he just shuts the APU off since it "saves fuel", despite the fact that it warms up really fast in the back without the APU bleed going, and it's often pushing 80 back there by the time we finish boarding.
Every single time I answer a call from ATC, he "corrects" me with "callsign first!", since he's convinced that all radio calls must start with our callsign and flight number.
If I touch anything on my FMS in flight (as pilot monitoring) without his express permission, I get yelled at because "only the pilot flying can change the flight plan!".
On a gusty crosswind landing in Montana, using the brakes to slow down earned me a repremand because "the runway is over 10,000ft, you should use rollout braking".
After about six legs of this BS, I (mostly) politely pointed out that I flew my last two trips with check airmen who had zero complaints about how I do my job, which was greeted with "well, the check airmen teach cultural procedures, not what's in the manuals".
Bob has decided he's on a holy mission from God to correct the fact that everyone doesn't follow the manuals 100% of the time on every leg, and hes singlehandedly going to badger every single FO and flight attendant into compliance.
He started the trip by berating the flight attendants for going to get coffee after their 5am check in, since he needed to give them a stupidly detailed weather breifing that contained zero useful information.
Once in the airplane, he then yelled at one of the FA's for setting their coffee inside the flight deck door, citing a rule about open beverages that's actually intended to keep pilots from putting cup holders over the circuit breaker panels.
When the APU is running and the cabin reaches a nice temperature during boarding , he just shuts the APU off since it "saves fuel", despite the fact that it warms up really fast in the back without the APU bleed going, and it's often pushing 80 back there by the time we finish boarding.
Every single time I answer a call from ATC, he "corrects" me with "callsign first!", since he's convinced that all radio calls must start with our callsign and flight number.
If I touch anything on my FMS in flight (as pilot monitoring) without his express permission, I get yelled at because "only the pilot flying can change the flight plan!".
On a gusty crosswind landing in Montana, using the brakes to slow down earned me a repremand because "the runway is over 10,000ft, you should use rollout braking".
After about six legs of this BS, I (mostly) politely pointed out that I flew my last two trips with check airmen who had zero complaints about how I do my job, which was greeted with "well, the check airmen teach cultural procedures, not what's in the manuals".
07-04-2016 | 02:13 PM
#8462
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From: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
I'm most of the way through a trip with someone I'm going to call Bob, who is a good nominee for TOTD.
Bob has decided he's on a holy mission from God to correct the fact that everyone doesn't follow the manuals 100% of the time on every leg, and hes singlehandedly going to badger every single FO and flight attendant into compliance.......
.....After about six legs of this BS, I (mostly) politely pointed out that I flew my last two trips with check airmen who had zero complaints about how I do my job, which was greeted with "well, the check airmen teach cultural procedures, not what's in the manuals".
Bob has decided he's on a holy mission from God to correct the fact that everyone doesn't follow the manuals 100% of the time on every leg, and hes singlehandedly going to badger every single FO and flight attendant into compliance.......
.....After about six legs of this BS, I (mostly) politely pointed out that I flew my last two trips with check airmen who had zero complaints about how I do my job, which was greeted with "well, the check airmen teach cultural procedures, not what's in the manuals".
At the end of the day, your airline of today is the same airline, different paint job. Now a days, there's seems to be a "Chapter, Section, Page" brown nosing possum breath who can't pull up the Chapter Section Page of the Manual they are citing. Sort of the world according to Garp.
Hope the putz enjoys twang in his airline coffee.
Last edited by captjns; 07-04-2016 at 02:39 PM.
07-04-2016 | 02:36 PM
#8464
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Nope, I'm at QX.
Flying with this guy reminds me of the quote from Futurama "he's technically correct, which is the best kind of correct", since the stuff he's saying is indeed in the manuals, but he refuses to admit that there's some room for common sense in how strictly said manuals are followed by the other 99% of pilots here.
Hilariously, he got an airplane stuck in the mud at an airport some time ago after blindly following the taxiway centerline, despite the fact that our manuals mention the need for intentionally oversteering to keep the mains on pavement in some situations.
Flying with this guy reminds me of the quote from Futurama "he's technically correct, which is the best kind of correct", since the stuff he's saying is indeed in the manuals, but he refuses to admit that there's some room for common sense in how strictly said manuals are followed by the other 99% of pilots here.
Hilariously, he got an airplane stuck in the mud at an airport some time ago after blindly following the taxiway centerline, despite the fact that our manuals mention the need for intentionally oversteering to keep the mains on pavement in some situations.
07-04-2016 | 02:37 PM
#8465
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From: A320 CA
They attempt make up for it by boning-up on useless legalese from their (frequently outdated) expansive book knowledge.
07-04-2016 | 03:00 PM
#8466
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From: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
By the Cactus Flyer, next time you fly with Captain Fantastic cite the following regarding proper R/T procedures.
Call sign follows the read back of clearances.
Call sign follows the read back of clearances.
Note 1.— Air traffic control clearances, instructions and information requiring readback are specified in the Procedures for Air Navigation Services — Rules of the Air and Air Traffic Services (PANS-RAC, Doc 4444).
Note 2.— The following example illustrates the application of this procedure:
(ATC clearance by network station to an aircraft)
Station:
TWA NINE SIX THREE MADRID
Aircraft:
MADRID TWA NINE SIX THREE — GO AHEAD
Station:
TWA NINE SIX THREE MADRID — ATC CLEARS TWA NINE SIX THREE TO DESCEND TO NINE THOUSAND FEET
Aircraft (acknowledging):
CLEARED TO DESCEND TO NINE THOUSAND FEET — TWA NINE SIX THREE
Station (denoting accuracy of readback):
MADRID
Note 2.— The following example illustrates the application of this procedure:
(ATC clearance by network station to an aircraft)
Station:
TWA NINE SIX THREE MADRID
Aircraft:
MADRID TWA NINE SIX THREE — GO AHEAD
Station:
TWA NINE SIX THREE MADRID — ATC CLEARS TWA NINE SIX THREE TO DESCEND TO NINE THOUSAND FEET
Aircraft (acknowledging):
CLEARED TO DESCEND TO NINE THOUSAND FEET — TWA NINE SIX THREE
Station (denoting accuracy of readback):
MADRID
07-04-2016 | 03:05 PM
#8467
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From: 737
I keep seeing green backpack FO walking around our domiciles. At first I thought maybe he lost his bags, but this is the 4th or 5th I've seen him and I realize how bad it really looks. I'm no uniform stickler, but it reminds of the interview question about TMAT when you had to talk to an FO about uniform compliance.
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07-05-2016 | 12:16 AM
#8469
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From: Q400, B-737
Nope, I'm at QX.
Hilariously, he got an airplane stuck in the mud at an airport some time ago after blindly following the taxiway centerline, despite the fact that our manuals mention the need for intentionally oversteering to keep the mains on pavement in some situations.
Hilariously, he got an airplane stuck in the mud at an airport some time ago after blindly following the taxiway centerline, despite the fact that our manuals mention the need for intentionally oversteering to keep the mains on pavement in some situations.
Common sense, "airmanship", whuzzat?
They then inserted that guidance into the FOM.
(Since hey, he never had to consider that in a -172!)
Idiot.
The company knows who he is; I think he's compensating for his grain of rice.
I feel your pain; (it goes away in the left seat). ;-)
07-05-2016 | 03:32 AM
#8470
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I keep seeing green backpack FO walking around our domiciles. At first I thought maybe he lost his bags, but this is the 4th or 5th I've seen him and I realize how bad it really looks. I'm no uniform stickler, but it reminds of the interview question about TMAT when you had to talk to an FO about uniform compliance.
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