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07-15-2016, 06:03 AM
#8461
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 244
Originally Posted by CBreezy
I'd like to nominate the LGA clearance controller last night for the tantrum he was throwing for the better part of an hour because he had to do his job. Some of the more memorable quotes: "I'm going to shut this frequency down if you people keep calling me" "No, I'm not verifying anything, you can verify your route with center when you're airborne."
From Delta: "Are we still on the GLDMN climb?"
DLV: "I don't know! What did we give you 3 hours ago? That's your clearance."
Delta: But we returned the gate and company refiled.
DLV: you know what, they need to stop doing that. I give you permission to fly, your company doesn't. I'm not telling you anything. What I gave you originally is your clearance.
From Delta: "Are we still on the GLDMN climb?"
DLV: "I don't know! What did we give you 3 hours ago? That's your clearance."
Delta: But we returned the gate and company refiled.
DLV: you know what, they need to stop doing that. I give you permission to fly, your company doesn't. I'm not telling you anything. What I gave you originally is your clearance.
Joking aside... File an irregularity report. The FAA will read it and investigate it. The last thing that needs to happen here is center being overwhelmed by aircraft flying on wrong routes and worse, aircraft flying "too close to each other" in the tight confines of the airspace all 3 airports share.
07-15-2016, 06:42 AM
#8462
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: 7th green
Posts: 4,378
Originally Posted by NERD
I'll give them an extra 5, maybe 10, then I cab it and either the front desk pays, or I expense it and get reimbursed 6 weeks later. No reason to get the blood pressure up over and get angry.
Easy, peasy and you look like a hero to the crew.
07-17-2016, 12:41 PM
#8464
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: 747 Captain (Ret,)
Posts: 804
Originally Posted by prex8390
I feel like this is starting to become a regular trend for me but crew members that throw little kid tantrums when the hotel van isn't immediately outside when we walk out.
It's really embarrassing to be standing outside with a crew member throwing a fit becuase we have been out there all of 2 minutes and you've decided to call the hotel twice and cuss out the poor desk clerk about the whereabouts of his van and call him a liar saying he would be there. And then continue to Vent and steam in front of passengers also at the curb. It reflects poorly on us.
I get it when it's a stand up or a 10-12 hour overnight but when we have 18+ hours at the XYZ airport north/south/east/west hotel, just chill out a minute. And don't make me call the hotel either. I'm not the one who lost my temper. Enjoy the nice day out and have a little patience.
It's really embarrassing to be standing outside with a crew member throwing a fit becuase we have been out there all of 2 minutes and you've decided to call the hotel twice and cuss out the poor desk clerk about the whereabouts of his van and call him a liar saying he would be there. And then continue to Vent and steam in front of passengers also at the curb. It reflects poorly on us.
I get it when it's a stand up or a 10-12 hour overnight but when we have 18+ hours at the XYZ airport north/south/east/west hotel, just chill out a minute. And don't make me call the hotel either. I'm not the one who lost my temper. Enjoy the nice day out and have a little patience.
If you don't have some protections in your contract, then it is time to lean on your reps about the next contract.
Joe
07-17-2016, 01:10 PM
#8465
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Joined APC: Jul 2009
Position: Downwind, headed straight for the rocks, shanghaied aboard the ship of fools.
Posts: 1,128
Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
If you raise your voice, you've lost the argument.
07-17-2016, 01:29 PM
#8466
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 2,146
Originally Posted by joepilot
I don't know what your contract says, but at "my house", if the transport is not ready to leave 30 minutes after block-in, it is time to expense a taxi.
If you don't have some protections in your contract, then it is time to lean on your reps about the next contract.
Joe
If you don't have some protections in your contract, then it is time to lean on your reps about the next contract.
Joe
07-18-2016, 06:06 AM
#8467
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 320
Originally Posted by prex8390
We have the same provisions in our contract thankfully, my point was, if the van isnt there, and you wait, and eventually doesnt come an you need a cab, get one. No reason to embarrass yourself and throw a fit about it because you missed happy hour at Chilis. Its just awkward when your Captain, the leader of the crew is having a temper tantrum when we have been waiting just a few minutes. Sometimes thats life and you need to wait 2-5 minutes. Take the cab, expense it, file a hotel complaint and get on with your life.
07-18-2016, 08:54 AM
#8468
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Posts: 539
Originally Posted by cactusflyer
I'm most of the way through a trip with someone I'm going to call Bob, who is a good nominee for TOTD.
Bob has decided he's on a holy mission from God to correct the fact that everyone doesn't follow the manuals 100% of the time on every leg, and hes singlehandedly going to badger every single FO and flight attendant into compliance.
He started the trip by berating the flight attendants for going to get coffee after their 5am check in, since he needed to give them a stupidly detailed weather breifing that contained zero useful information.
After about six legs of this BS, I (mostly) politely pointed out that I flew my last two trips with check airmen who had zero complaints about how I do my job, which was greeted with "well, the check airmen teach cultural procedures, not what's in the manuals".
Bob has decided he's on a holy mission from God to correct the fact that everyone doesn't follow the manuals 100% of the time on every leg, and hes singlehandedly going to badger every single FO and flight attendant into compliance.
He started the trip by berating the flight attendants for going to get coffee after their 5am check in, since he needed to give them a stupidly detailed weather breifing that contained zero useful information.
After about six legs of this BS, I (mostly) politely pointed out that I flew my last two trips with check airmen who had zero complaints about how I do my job, which was greeted with "well, the check airmen teach cultural procedures, not what's in the manuals".
Along that last line, how many times in history has metal been bent and flesh been roasted because a crew could not function as a crew? IMHO these 1%ers should be weeded out. I know I know, "but following the book is required and a safety device!" Yes to a point. Of the two 121s I have been at, the books have conflicting and contradictory info. Discretion. That is key. The 1%ers dont have it, and that is why they need not to be flying airplanes.
Dont get me wrong, I follow the book as much as practical. But I dont let my knowlege of the nitty gritty prevent me from seeing the whole picture. Sadly too many people fall for that trap. Good people too. But the 1%ers take it to new and dangerous hights.
Ok im done
07-20-2016, 12:26 PM
#8469
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Window seat
Posts: 5,205
"Kennedy ground, JB 123, holding short of B."
Silence.
Pause -
"Kennedy ground, JB 123."
Silence.
"Kennedy ground, JB 123."
"JB 123, Kennedy ground, go ahead."
"We're holding short of Bravo and were told to wait for your call."
?!?!?
Kennedy ground - "well I guess thanks for telling me that ..."
FO and I look at each other and start chuckling.
Silence.
Pause -
"Kennedy ground, JB 123."
Silence.
"Kennedy ground, JB 123."
"JB 123, Kennedy ground, go ahead."
"We're holding short of Bravo and were told to wait for your call."
?!?!?
Kennedy ground - "well I guess thanks for telling me that ..."
FO and I look at each other and start chuckling.
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