All those Luftansa 787s are sitting because their first class seats are awaiting approval from the FAA, I'm not sure in what sequence they will be delievered.

You can't just look at the spreadsheet and count out 4 per month as someone suggested, that's not how it goes. However I wouldn't be surprised if Hawaiian ends up getting 2 by the end of summer and the next slips into 2026.

In the latest vacancies Hawaiian has put a bunch more FOs on the 787 and not more captains, so it seems like it will finally be moved to augmented routes later this year.

 

Yes and BM is quoted saying that we'll have 36 wide bodies by 2027. Also quoted, 12 787s in three years.

 

That seems optimistic. But boeing owes them big-time for the plug door thing, so maybe some priority deliveries?

 

Sorry to say it but everyone need aircraft and AS/HA are minor players compared to SWA or UAL. SWA is desperate for the MAX 7 and most widebody operators need the 787 yesterday.

Highly doubt it. But one can dream. We are going to be very overstaffed. Apparently the wing spar is bent on the 900ER the mechanics were taxiing around. Down another tail before the promised MAX 9 delivery

 

HAL just put a comm out, Dreamliner #3 comes next month, #4 in April. HNL-JFK starts 4/22 on the 787 in addition to the two operating HNL-LAX as they rotate the newer 787s in.

 

====Where....?

 

787 pilots, also it’s bookable on the web

 

We may hear some of this on the 23rd and 28th. Thx

 

From the town hall yesterday

1. Expecting 50 new hires for the rest of the year

2. 717 replacement will not be regional jet - will be flown by mainline jet (still loooking for suitable candidates) 3-5 years left on 717 usage (again lol).

3. Inter island overnights are staying for now.

4. Airbuses are here to stay.

5. Widebody fleet & routes will likely grow in the future. Alaska wants international expansion.

6. No plans for Seattle base for Hawaiian pilots.

7. "Hawaiian" Callsign uncertain. (prob gonna go away)

So far - I'm liking what I'm hearing .... except #7

 

1. That covers retirements and resignations.

2. That's code for an Alaskan 737 (maybe an old 700 series, maybe a max 7 if it ever gets certified). It certainly won't be another type for cost effectiveness. GTFs only make sense for savings on long routes- not interisland

3. Unitl WN stops flying early in the morning to HNL overnights stay

4. Well obviously. If you order a Boeing or an Airbus its a 7 year plus backlog.

5. Need to use what they have more effectively.

WB from Hawaii to west coast is not effective. The neo I fly now burns 5200 lbs per hour and has about 200 people. The 332 I flew at HAL burns 12-13000 lbs per hour and carries 279 with more cargo that may or may not make up the difference of 26000 lbs vs 60-70000 lbs of fuel.

6. Of course not. They have an entire seniority list of AS pilots that live in SEA and would give up a lot to get WB planes and pay rates at home. That will get ironed out in whatever contract and SLI they force HAL pilots into.


Just insights from a guy that left to legacy keeping tabs on if it was the right decision to leave- guess I will know in about 35 years