121noob

I do the exact same job as NetJets at the moment and have for a while now. I would like to move into 121 but no one is hiring.

121noob

Except that Allegiant is paying worse than the regionals first year which makes zero sense not to mention insulting. And if it was just a few % less I could suck it up absolutely and would be willing to. But I can't live on $47,000 for a year and I don't think anyone in this thread could either. I have a house, a family, and obligations.

widebodywannabe

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I am pretty sure Allegiant just raised their first year pay to around $100 an hour. Something to look into..

JohnBurke

Alrighty then. Let's begin:

Five months ago you referred to yourself as

DL Hiring: New Process
DL Hiring: New Process
We can't forget this gem, which clearly illustrates your current position is nearly identical to NetJets:

Interview Etiquette
You keep saying what you won't do and what you won't accept, and frequently reiterating that you want to skip to the front of the line and go direct to Delta. You keep telling us what you won't accept. How about you tell us what you will accept (other than going straigh to Delta, because let's face it: you're not qualified).

Hiring 2024?
Not willing to shave, to interview for that job you want. Not willing to take a pay cut. Not willing to sacrifice. Minimally qualified. But doing the same job as NetJets, working for an employer who will fire you, if you shave? Mysterious and clealry overqualified. You said you'd go to flexjet if you had to, but really want to go straight to Delta. Entitlement, much?

Interview Etiquette
Yep, nearly a dead-ringer for NetJets. Almost indistinguishable, one might surmise.

You say you aren't "entitled," but you do come across as feeling entitled to skip to the front of the line.

Envoy questions
So, it's Delta, or bust, then? Delta, or nothing at all?

Envoy questions
Look out Sully: here comes a 1,500 hour 135 pilot who paid for his own ATP written. If that's not overqualified and entitleld to go straight to Delta, then what is?

Envoy questions
You may be low-time, but you have a good attitude, and you did pay for your own ATP written. That just cries out future Delta pilot. Painfully so.

Envoy questions
Generally, the pet that bites the hand that feeds it gets sent to the animal shelter. That seldom ends well. Fortunately, you're very humble, and that coiunts for a lot.

Envoy questions
It's hard being so overqualified that one can't get hired. Existing at that level of awesomeness in a splintery cross to bear, to be sure. Of course, employers don't just hire employees based on the number of hours they've pencilled in their logbook. Employers look a little deeper than that.

Envoy questions
So, once again, we must ask, what can you do?

Part 121 hiring status in 2024?
So, not exactly like NetJets?

Who is hiring 1500hr street FO's?
NetJets, being a nearly identical job, would be a lateral move, wouldn't it?

QRH Bingo

Curious with a serious question: Do you have any checkride or Part 135 training failures?

121noob

They are in contract negtioations but I think it will be months to a year or more before it is approved.

121noob

In primary yes but no failures at any 135 check rides.

121noob

Over 6 months ago if I had the hours it was possible to go straight to Delta but the conditions have changed since then. Now I'm willing to go to (almost) any regional. It's called adapting to market conditions.


Nope, you are reading that wrong. I'm of course willing to shave, and have, but didn't want to tip off my current employer. And yes I'm willing to take a pay cut, but why should I when the regionals are paying more than I currently make? And the only 121 carrier that would be a paycut for me would be Allegiant but I can't live on $47,000 otherwise I would apply.


The rest of your post is based on obsolete information and not worth responding to or even reading besides being a personal attack.

Sky Dog

That’s your fallacy. The regionals aren’t paying more than you currently make for someone with your qualifications. For someone without a lot of 121 time the regionals are paying $0. Which is a much bigger pay cut than $47.000.

I’m at a 121 carrier that pays less than a regional not because I couldn’t get on at a regional a year ago (I had a CJO) but because I felt the experience where I’m at will make it easier to get on with a legacy when I reach their minimums. Whether that was the correct choice remains to be seen, but those are the choices we have to make.

In your case, you can take a pay cut to get the experience you need to get a better paying job or stay where you’re at and hope the market changes and the regionals will once again start hiring pilots with no 121 experience. Complaining about the current market conditions won’t change those conditions.

A caveat to that is that some regionals are still hiring but it takes a long time to get an interview and even longer to get a class date (a year or more from application to Indoc isn’t unusual). In the meantime you could be building quality time somewhere else.

By waiting you are sacrificing opportunity cost. By taking a lower paying job now you’re sacrificing dollars. You just have to decide which sacrifice you want to make. Whether you make the correct choice is to be determined. You’ll know when you retire if you made the right choices.

You can argue all day long, but that’s the reality that we’re in right now. It’s not fair or unfair. It just is. Accept it, make a choice, and reevaluate in six months or a year. Or don’t and continue to argue (although as a great man once said if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice).

Good luck.

BlueJuicer17

Wow, just wow.... You do understant that many who read and or post on this forum worked for poverty wages for years building time and experience just to be offered an interview at a regional (that paid poverty wages) and then were stuck at that regional/135 for a decade or more (making poverty wages making them eligable for means tested benefits) before one could upgrade and build more experience to be offered an interview at a major/legacy/cargo/LLC (at first year poverty wages). And, doing this while attending job fairs, paying for application/resume review services, doing internships/co-op, volunteer work and networking in the industry.