American Eagle to hire
04-11-2010 | 04:49 PM
#1491
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I think the mortality rate of our F/O's may eclipse that of senior captains in the next few years. As things contnue to stagnate and they rack up 1000's more hours of Brazilian or Canadian gear-handle time, many may begin to off themselves in various methods............some quite spectacular.
One F/O was rumored to proclaim he would do himself in in similar fashion as the Viet monks did back in the early sixties. Instead of immolation, he supposedly proclaimed his intention to urinate into one of the crewroom electrical outlets in full view of others as a protest to his lack of advancement.
One F/O was rumored to proclaim he would do himself in in similar fashion as the Viet monks did back in the early sixties. Instead of immolation, he supposedly proclaimed his intention to urinate into one of the crewroom electrical outlets in full view of others as a protest to his lack of advancement.
04-11-2010 | 05:06 PM
#1492
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One F/O was rumored to proclaim he would do himself in in similar fashion as the Viet monks did back in the early sixties. Instead of immolation, he supposedly proclaimed his intention to urinate into one of the crewroom electrical outlets in full view of others as a protest to his lack of advancement.
04-11-2010 | 06:00 PM
#1493
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Agreed. The money is adequate. Captains are fairly compensated pay wise, but the benefits and treatment still suck. First Officers are severely underpaid which is why we should make FO pay a priority. If they have to be pilots who spend a large portion of their career in the right seat, then they should be paid a level of pay which can sustain them for that long.
I'm around #600 on the seniority list with 20 years and another 11 to go. I rarely drink, don't smoke, eat healthy and exercise regularly. Enjoy your wait.
The good news is that a fair portion of our senior pilots don't take very good care of themselves and probably won't live to age 65 much less fly until that age.
I'm around #600 on the seniority list with 20 years and another 11 to go. I rarely drink, don't smoke, eat healthy and exercise regularly. Enjoy your wait.
The good news is that a fair portion of our senior pilots don't take very good care of themselves and probably won't live to age 65 much less fly until that age.
04-11-2010 | 06:19 PM
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Not offhand, but it isn't very many. The last time I checked in 2008, I was number 600 and, at age 60 I'd be number 400. The flow through situation will generate more movement than retirements. Despite the wailing about how senior Eagle is, the phrase refers more to length of employment rather than age. Many of our captains are under 50, IIRC, so it will be awhile before they reach mandatory retirement age.
04-11-2010 | 07:50 PM
#1495
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From: 320 CA
2013- 22
2014- 20
2015- 31
2016- 30
2017- 24
2018- 28
2019- 46
2020- 47
2021- 62
2022- 63
2023- 69
2024- 59
This is from the April 10, 2010 Seniority list. I got too depressed to calculate retirements beyond 2024. There are 2699 total pilots on the seniority list(newhires havent shown up on the list yet).
04-11-2010 | 08:14 PM
#1496
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Take heart, Flyby. From the looks of some of our pilots, about a third won't live to be age 65 much less hold a medical until then. Others will retire earlier than age 65; even sooner if the medical insurance issue is fixed.
When both the economy was booming and the legacies were hiring, we lost 30 pilots a month due to attrition. It dropped to 15/month when the airlines stopped hiring and 7/month when the economy dumped in the fall of 2008. While I doubt the legacies will be hiring in the next 5 years, eventually they will do so. The economy should pick up either later this year or early the next so our attrition levels of pilots who've had their fill of the airline bidness will pick up too.
04-12-2010 | 02:14 AM
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How many are FT pilots? In the first 286.
2012- 0
2013- 22
2014- 20
2015- 31
2016- 30
2017- 24
2018- 28
2019- 46
2020- 47
2021- 62
2022- 63
2023- 69
2024- 59
This is from the April 10, 2010 Seniority list. I got too depressed to calculate retirements beyond 2024. There are 2699 total pilots on the seniority list(newhires havent shown up on the list yet).
2013- 22
2014- 20
2015- 31
2016- 30
2017- 24
2018- 28
2019- 46
2020- 47
2021- 62
2022- 63
2023- 69
2024- 59
This is from the April 10, 2010 Seniority list. I got too depressed to calculate retirements beyond 2024. There are 2699 total pilots on the seniority list(newhires havent shown up on the list yet).
04-12-2010 | 04:23 AM
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While I doubt the legacies will be hiring in the next 5 years, eventually they will do so. The economy should pick up either later this year or early the next so our attrition levels of pilots who've had their fill of the airline bidness will pick up too.
04-12-2010 | 04:38 AM
#1499
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Hope is a good thing! Which legacy do you think will be hiring? It won't be AA, I doubt it will be Delta or USAirways. Are you speculating United? If their merger talks continue, I doubt any would be hiring since most business experts predict at least a 3% reduction to eliminate overlap from both airlines.
04-12-2010 | 07:03 AM
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I'm not sure if I am getting your question right, but..
Looking at the top 286 AA seniority numbers on the Eagle list retirements are:
2014- 1
2015- 3
2016- 15
2017- 10
2018- 9
2019- 13
2020- 17
2021- 27
2022- 23
2023- 26
2024- 25
2025- 23
2026- 18
2027- 20
2028- 26
2029- 13
2030- 7
2031- 4
2032- 5
2033- 1
or......
When I filter the 286 oldest pilots on the Eagle seniority list there are 115 that have AA flowthrough numbers (and 4 more that are ex-AA flowbacks)
Looking at the top 286 AA seniority numbers on the Eagle list retirements are:
2014- 1
2015- 3
2016- 15
2017- 10
2018- 9
2019- 13
2020- 17
2021- 27
2022- 23
2023- 26
2024- 25
2025- 23
2026- 18
2027- 20
2028- 26
2029- 13
2030- 7
2031- 4
2032- 5
2033- 1
or......
When I filter the 286 oldest pilots on the Eagle seniority list there are 115 that have AA flowthrough numbers (and 4 more that are ex-AA flowbacks)
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