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Old 02-07-2010 | 12:48 PM
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He's just trying to justify the low pay for us so there's no revolt against senior pilots like him that makes $130K/yr. The pay disparity is just criminal. FOs have been subsidizing his income for years and he doesn't want it to stop so he's trying to convince everyone how it's not so bad.
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Old 02-07-2010 | 05:01 PM
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awesome, those of us that are actually using this thread as a medium to acquire what little intel there is available to us are not gonna have it open much longer due to the degradation of the topic. cheers.
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Old 02-07-2010 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by odog1121
He's just trying to justify the low pay for us so there's no revolt against senior pilots like him that makes $130K/yr. The pay disparity is just criminal. FOs have been subsidizing his income for years and he doesn't want it to stop so he's trying to convince everyone how it's not so bad.
If you are seeking a mainline pilot job, then you must also agree to keep the regionals at low pay so as to subsidize the mainline pilots pay and benefits that you glean for. Would that be a correct statement and if not, why not?
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Old 02-07-2010 | 05:52 PM
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Yea I did my training 141 too. Did they seem to mind the busted stage checks?
No. I just explained very well on the sheet why I busted them. Both weren't too serious and I did just fine on the re-check.
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Old 02-07-2010 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
If you are seeking a mainline pilot job, then you must also agree to keep the regionals at low pay so as to subsidize the mainline pilots pay and benefits that you glean for. Would that be a correct statement and if not, why not?
actually, mainline carriers use regionals because they do it cheaper. If regionals raise the pay, the benefit for the airlines to contract to regionals is no longer there and mainline carriers would grow. Regionals get the pay they deserve as profesionals and job progression to a major would also be a viable option. A win win situation..... just not for management.
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Old 02-07-2010 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tzadik
awesome, those of us that are actually using this thread as a medium to acquire what little intel there is available to us are not gonna have it open much longer due to the degradation of the topic. cheers.
This is why youll never see an "American Eagle Updates?" thread with 1 million views and thousands of replies. Welcome to AMR.
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Old 02-07-2010 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
You're changing the direction of the subject conversation.
Their complaint was the money....

Oh, regarding the proliferation part... perhaps you should read what Boyd's been saying for several years now about your almighty RJ... I'll wait for you to read the article, and will await your retraction. Last I checked you guys have already been parkign more aircraft over the last few years, that even the few new RJ's are still a net loss; correct?
Boyd's been pooh-poohing RJ's for as long as they've been flying. The RJ's of today ARE indeed a dying breed, but the RJ is evolving into one that will be around in droves tomorrow...........it just has more seats.

The Boyd group is world renowned for their anti-RJ stance and their bias makes them a virtually worthless source.

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Old 02-07-2010 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jayray2
I do not understand why people on web boards have such a hard time with the correct spelling of ridiculous. It weakens your argument when you do not check your spelling.

How do you know Sully was not complaining about making $200 in 1980? He was complaining in 2009 about having to have two jobs. Most first year regional pilots can count on no more than $19,000 for the first year. I made under that for a full year of work. Adjusted for inflation $200 in 1980 is about $34,000 today. Are you making an argument that pilots are properly paid? Are you arguing that pilots don't make what they use to? I am confused because you say one thing but include numbers that are in direct contradiction to what you are saying.
Many people (myself incuded) know how to spell. Sometimes we are in a rush and get lazy. Most know this, for virtually EVERYONE does it at one time or another. Others can't see past this and allow an occasional spelling or grammatical error to distract them from content.

That error lies with the reader.

Maybe Sully did complain, but in his book he implies the opposite. I suppose I can assume he was lying like you apparently are. I'm not making any argument other then it would be nice if a probationary new-hire position on a 50-seat aircraft paid $50,000/year, but that's not reality and likely never will be. What "most" other regional pilots can count on in their first year is meaningless as my post was about AMERICAN EAGLE pay, but your ridiculous distraction with spelling has caused you to miss this.

I think if you spent more time on content instead of nitpicking errors you'd be a little less confused.
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Old 02-07-2010 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by odog1121
He's just trying to justify the low pay for us so there's no revolt against senior pilots like him that makes $130K/yr. The pay disparity is just criminal. FOs have been subsidizing his income for years and he doesn't want it to stop so he's trying to convince everyone how it's not so bad.
LOL !!!!

You're going to "revolt" and change things ?

Interesting.

The pay is what it is and always has been that way. I wish it were different. I started just like you, but neither me nor any of my fellow pilots then (now senior) whined and complained like so many of the pilots of today.

Since it's not likely to change and you seem so miserable, perhaps it's time for you to resign and head over to the unlimited potential of Chick-Fil-A like Mason advocates ?

It seems to me this profession isn't making you happy.

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Old 02-07-2010 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by tzadik
awesome, those of us that are actually using this thread as a medium to acquire what little intel there is available to us are not gonna have it open much longer due to the degradation of the topic. cheers.
Agreed.

I made a post of some factual information to help, but it's tough to provide facts with these types of characters insisting on hijacking this thread for their own interests. We need to keep the topic about AE and providing factual information, not the everlasting complaints of low pay or senior pilot conspiracies that produce nothing of substance.

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