What's happening at Horizon and Jets?
05-10-2018, 01:17 PM
#3181
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Originally Posted by snackysmores
Only thing I'll add now is the stagnation aspect of the Q400. With 15 planes going away, it's gonna be hard to gain any seniority as flying lines are reduced. The jet is the promise land for any new hires here.
05-11-2018, 06:20 AM
#3184
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Originally Posted by CurseURedBaron
With the only exception being that it’s nearly impossible to keep flying in the jet until they get more of them on property.
I’ve flown about 120 hours since October.
I’ve flown about 120 hours since October.
I've flown nearly 430 hours since October... even with the 30 hours of sim support I did this winter. Enjoy your "down" time, it never seems to last very long around here.
05-13-2018, 09:30 AM
#3185
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Gotcha. Everything is clear as mud, i.e. normal airline operation. Thanks for your thoughts on this!
Originally Posted by Vanilla
It really is anyone's guess at this point. Right now, the Q and 175 are basically at street captain for those with prior 121 experience and 121.436 minimums. Right now, as you approach upgrade minimums, you can and will upgrade. There are senior FOs not willing to upgrade mostly for QoL concerns (waiting to hold a line in base, avoid a commute, etc), understandably. We may not be "growing" in the sense of fleet net growth, but attrition is steady around 10 to 12 per month. As long as the majors continue to suck up regional pilots, Horizon must keep up with attrition at the bare minimum. Classes are booked through July. Be prepared to start earlier if/when slots open up (and jump on those opportunities because seniority is life at the airlines). The mothership Alaska is like the 4 seasons. Constantly changing their plans. 6 months from now? 12 months from now? 
Back in Nov/December 2017, the most junior E175 captain award was around 1.5 years. Everyone thought 'Oh it will never go any more junior.'...... Then a couple of months later, it went to 1 year... then last month it went to new hire/street captain. As a matter of fact, the last award (What's happening at Horizon and Jets?) had 9 upgrades (of 10 awards) go to folks with less than a year on property. Throw out all predictions and crystal balls. The one guarantee is there are no guarantees. To answer your question- there really is no solid answer. Set your short and long term goals. Apply where you feel you'd fit in best. Hope for the best, plan for the worst. And enjoy the ride.
Back in Nov/December 2017, the most junior E175 captain award was around 1.5 years. Everyone thought 'Oh it will never go any more junior.'...... Then a couple of months later, it went to 1 year... then last month it went to new hire/street captain. As a matter of fact, the last award (What's happening at Horizon and Jets?) had 9 upgrades (of 10 awards) go to folks with less than a year on property. Throw out all predictions and crystal balls. The one guarantee is there are no guarantees. To answer your question- there really is no solid answer. Set your short and long term goals. Apply where you feel you'd fit in best. Hope for the best, plan for the worst. And enjoy the ride.
05-17-2018, 11:01 AM
#3186
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"Starting this fall, Horizon Air will be exiting six underperforming routes, two of which result in the complete exit of the Mammoth market. None of these changes are made without careful consideration of our guests and the communities we serve, as well as our people and our investors.
The impacted routes include:
Pasco (PSC)-Portland (PDX): Final Flight on Aug. 25
Bellingham (BLI)-PDX: Final Flight on Aug. 25
Eugene (EUG)-San Jose (SJC) – Final Flight on Aug. 25
Los Angeles (LAX) –Sun Valley (SUN): Final Flight on Oct. 14
LAX-Mammoth (MMH): Final Flight on Nov. 30
MMH-San Diego (SAN): Final Flight was Apr. 16 (seasonal exit will not be returning)
At the same time, we’re focused on increasing frequencies and capacity where it makes sense. Starting Aug. 25, we will add additional flying between Spokane (GEG) and Portland to provide nine daily departures, and between Seattle and Vancouver, BC (YVR), which will bring us to five daily Q-400 departures and one mainline departure. Starting Nov. 4 with the Winter schedule, we will increase both our Boise (BOI) to Portland service and Pasco to Seattle service by one trip each. Each will have seven daily departures.
Why this is necessary
“Our goal is to have a strong and sustainable Horizon Air. As a CPA carrier, we can bring more value to Air Group by adapting to match the needs of our guests and our largest customer, Alaska Airlines,” said Gary Beck, Horizon president and CEO.
Closing the Mammoth station was not an easy decision but is necessary as we face increased operational challenges. Only the Q400 is equipped with the right navigation resources to land there, and we have fewer available as we retire aircraft and optimize our regional flying to emphasize using E175s in southern California. Sun Valley faces similar challenges, but will still be served through Seattle.
In the cases of Bellingham and Pasco service to Portland, most guest are connecting in Portland to other destinations. We can operate more efficiently and offer more connecting options having them travel through Seattle. This also allows us to redirect the flight time and costs of a Portland service to other markets.
We launched the Eugene- San Jose market in November 2015, but as the market matured, the revenue gains have not kept pace with cost increases. The federal grant that supported this market ended in December 2017, compounding the financial challenges of continuing the route. Guests will still be able to connect to these cities through Portland."
The impacted routes include:
Pasco (PSC)-Portland (PDX): Final Flight on Aug. 25
Bellingham (BLI)-PDX: Final Flight on Aug. 25
Eugene (EUG)-San Jose (SJC) – Final Flight on Aug. 25
Los Angeles (LAX) –Sun Valley (SUN): Final Flight on Oct. 14
LAX-Mammoth (MMH): Final Flight on Nov. 30
MMH-San Diego (SAN): Final Flight was Apr. 16 (seasonal exit will not be returning)
At the same time, we’re focused on increasing frequencies and capacity where it makes sense. Starting Aug. 25, we will add additional flying between Spokane (GEG) and Portland to provide nine daily departures, and between Seattle and Vancouver, BC (YVR), which will bring us to five daily Q-400 departures and one mainline departure. Starting Nov. 4 with the Winter schedule, we will increase both our Boise (BOI) to Portland service and Pasco to Seattle service by one trip each. Each will have seven daily departures.
Why this is necessary
“Our goal is to have a strong and sustainable Horizon Air. As a CPA carrier, we can bring more value to Air Group by adapting to match the needs of our guests and our largest customer, Alaska Airlines,” said Gary Beck, Horizon president and CEO.
Closing the Mammoth station was not an easy decision but is necessary as we face increased operational challenges. Only the Q400 is equipped with the right navigation resources to land there, and we have fewer available as we retire aircraft and optimize our regional flying to emphasize using E175s in southern California. Sun Valley faces similar challenges, but will still be served through Seattle.
In the cases of Bellingham and Pasco service to Portland, most guest are connecting in Portland to other destinations. We can operate more efficiently and offer more connecting options having them travel through Seattle. This also allows us to redirect the flight time and costs of a Portland service to other markets.
We launched the Eugene- San Jose market in November 2015, but as the market matured, the revenue gains have not kept pace with cost increases. The federal grant that supported this market ended in December 2017, compounding the financial challenges of continuing the route. Guests will still be able to connect to these cities through Portland."
05-17-2018, 12:10 PM
#3188
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Originally Posted by snackysmores
"Starting this fall, Horizon Air will be exiting six underperforming routes, two of which result in the complete exit of the Mammoth market. None of these changes are made without careful consideration of our guests and the communities we serve, as well as our people and our investors.
The impacted routes include:
Pasco (PSC)-Portland (PDX): Final Flight on Aug. 25
Bellingham (BLI)-PDX: Final Flight on Aug. 25
Eugene (EUG)-San Jose (SJC) – Final Flight on Aug. 25
Los Angeles (LAX) –Sun Valley (SUN): Final Flight on Oct. 14
LAX-Mammoth (MMH): Final Flight on Nov. 30
MMH-San Diego (SAN): Final Flight was Apr. 16 (seasonal exit will not be returning)
At the same time, we’re focused on increasing frequencies and capacity where it makes sense. Starting Aug. 25, we will add additional flying between Spokane (GEG) and Portland to provide nine daily departures, and between Seattle and Vancouver, BC (YVR), which will bring us to five daily Q-400 departures and one mainline departure. Starting Nov. 4 with the Winter schedule, we will increase both our Boise (BOI) to Portland service and Pasco to Seattle service by one trip each. Each will have seven daily departures.
Why this is necessary
“Our goal is to have a strong and sustainable Horizon Air. As a CPA carrier, we can bring more value to Air Group by adapting to match the needs of our guests and our largest customer, Alaska Airlines,” said Gary Beck, Horizon president and CEO.
Closing the Mammoth station was not an easy decision but is necessary as we face increased operational challenges. Only the Q400 is equipped with the right navigation resources to land there, and we have fewer available as we retire aircraft and optimize our regional flying to emphasize using E175s in southern California. Sun Valley faces similar challenges, but will still be served through Seattle.
In the cases of Bellingham and Pasco service to Portland, most guest are connecting in Portland to other destinations. We can operate more efficiently and offer more connecting options having them travel through Seattle. This also allows us to redirect the flight time and costs of a Portland service to other markets.
We launched the Eugene- San Jose market in November 2015, but as the market matured, the revenue gains have not kept pace with cost increases. The federal grant that supported this market ended in December 2017, compounding the financial challenges of continuing the route. Guests will still be able to connect to these cities through Portland."
The impacted routes include:
Pasco (PSC)-Portland (PDX): Final Flight on Aug. 25
Bellingham (BLI)-PDX: Final Flight on Aug. 25
Eugene (EUG)-San Jose (SJC) – Final Flight on Aug. 25
Los Angeles (LAX) –Sun Valley (SUN): Final Flight on Oct. 14
LAX-Mammoth (MMH): Final Flight on Nov. 30
MMH-San Diego (SAN): Final Flight was Apr. 16 (seasonal exit will not be returning)
At the same time, we’re focused on increasing frequencies and capacity where it makes sense. Starting Aug. 25, we will add additional flying between Spokane (GEG) and Portland to provide nine daily departures, and between Seattle and Vancouver, BC (YVR), which will bring us to five daily Q-400 departures and one mainline departure. Starting Nov. 4 with the Winter schedule, we will increase both our Boise (BOI) to Portland service and Pasco to Seattle service by one trip each. Each will have seven daily departures.
Why this is necessary
“Our goal is to have a strong and sustainable Horizon Air. As a CPA carrier, we can bring more value to Air Group by adapting to match the needs of our guests and our largest customer, Alaska Airlines,” said Gary Beck, Horizon president and CEO.
Closing the Mammoth station was not an easy decision but is necessary as we face increased operational challenges. Only the Q400 is equipped with the right navigation resources to land there, and we have fewer available as we retire aircraft and optimize our regional flying to emphasize using E175s in southern California. Sun Valley faces similar challenges, but will still be served through Seattle.
In the cases of Bellingham and Pasco service to Portland, most guest are connecting in Portland to other destinations. We can operate more efficiently and offer more connecting options having them travel through Seattle. This also allows us to redirect the flight time and costs of a Portland service to other markets.
We launched the Eugene- San Jose market in November 2015, but as the market matured, the revenue gains have not kept pace with cost increases. The federal grant that supported this market ended in December 2017, compounding the financial challenges of continuing the route. Guests will still be able to connect to these cities through Portland."
05-17-2018, 12:26 PM
#3189
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Originally Posted by Jcr07
I’ll miss that RNP to the east runway in MMH
05-17-2018, 01:27 PM
#3190
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Originally Posted by fivebyfive
Thanks for the update. What is your take on that?
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