Not really that's a function of current market, not how to index a fixed cost like pilot pay.
If the company wants to make money at a 50% load capacity then the fact that there selling 85%+ loads right now don't matter even though it helps your margins analogy to SW.

It's like he's saying SW has a lower cost base, and your saying it doesn't matter because stocks are all going up the same percent daily.

 

Bullet points said 190 gets 6.8% average pay raise at DOS and 13.3% eventually.

Same rates apply to 195, 190-E2, 195-E2. For those that don't have access to the bullet points and FWIW, they also negotiated C series rates...

 

You’re a loser. I also bet you weren’t senior enough to even hold IOE trips

 

Delta?

Don’t worry you can come back and really tell us how much jetblue sucks.

But honestly good luck, great time for hiring.

 

We know what we got is crap. The MEC an NC failed. Do you suggest we roll over and take it or should we continue to fight?





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That is a defeated, beaten down attitude. You are so myopic in your thinking, or lack of thinking, that you only accept table scraps.

Bozo, you really need to gain some self respect for yourself and for your profession.

People like you just bring us down. You should go back to your regional or whatever unprofessional toilet cleaning organization you came from. No wonder management ****es all over you and you said they're asking for more. You have no idea how disrespected you are by them.

Maybe you should actually read what people are saying here. They are correct about a great deal of things. This proposal is a complete turd even from the highlights. The legalese will not improve anything. Basically the MEC and NC failed miserably, as I suspected they would.


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Your understanding of economics of the matter are incorrect. Pay has very little to do with the size of operation. This is a false concept that people like you believe because you don't know any better. The truth of the matter that BJ makes triple the profit compared to AA. That's why analysts come up with numbers such as CASM which are always per unit (aircraft). Overall fleet profit is hardly ever described because it's a simple linear extrapolation of the per-unit revenue and profit. So the false argument saying that we shouldn't expect to pay rates of the major three or even four is absolute bunk. You are just buying into management propaganda that smaller airlines can't pay the same. This substandard expectation seems to be in the DNA of the average BJ pilot, particularly the MEC and NC.



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No we didn't. This was a complete insult to professional pilots. Simply improving doesn't make it acceptable.


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This is standard at other carriers as well. Between 50% and 75% of trips can be withheld for training. Shortsighted, hardly.

 

You guys need to email the Training committee and get a better understanding of this. Withholding OE trips is perfectly normal. There are much worse things in the AIP to be concerned about.

Take insurance for example. According the bullet points it isn't codified in the agreement. What this means is Jetblue, being Jetblue, will likely add some percentage provision allowing limiting them to how much the deductibles can increase YoY. What won't be in the agreement is what is actually covered. Over the course of this contract cycle your deductible won't change too much but your coverage will continue to decline.

You guys are getting concerned about being bought off your trip when your health benefits are steadily going down the tubes.