AIP.
#461
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Nobody is suggesting that if we vote this TA in they will then order the E2.
What we are saying, as I understand it, is that the decision to buy the E2 is possibly already made, and that they asked to have these C rates included and have spread the rumor the C is a "done deal" to get guys to look past the shatty E2 rates thinking the C is coming when it may not be.....
What we are saying, as I understand it, is that the decision to buy the E2 is possibly already made, and that they asked to have these C rates included and have spread the rumor the C is a "done deal" to get guys to look past the shatty E2 rates thinking the C is coming when it may not be.....
Classic disinformation campaign.
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#462
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We have an AIP that few of us saw coming (and the few who thought it was possible in the near-term were widely ridiculed) and now, despite the fact that we don’t understand exactly what factors led the company negotiatiors to agree to this AIP (I think it’s safe to say Baker’s downgrade and the likelihood of a summer implosion were high on the list, but do we really know?), many of those who were most pessimistic about our odds and most willing to accuse the company of doing everything they could to delay an agreement indefinitely have suddenly become quite optimistic about our odds of getting a renegotiated TA in short order and have a ton of confidence in the company negotiatiors to quickly return to the table with some awesome improvements. If you didn’t see this AIP coming, how can you have such a high degree of confidence in your predictive capabilities? If I could go back 30 days and take bets on when we’d get an AIP and what it would contain I think a huge majority of pilots on here would lose a ton of cash. At some point don’t we have to show a little humility and admit that we’re not quite sure why we are where we are now or what exactly is going to happen next? Whether you vote “yes” or “no” I think there has to be some recognition that the economy is volatile and good times don’t last forever. There is some risk in voting either way, and an honest assessment of that risk is part of a well-informed decision.
Contracts are achieved through pressure, ideally from many directions. Contracts are NOT achieved by being patient, compliant and quiet little brown star lickers.
#463
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Classic disinformation campaign.
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#464
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BJ's business model relies on shortstaffing and shortchanging. It exploits legal frameworks and psychology.
These are not honorable people.
History, logic, and basic negotiation philosophy dictates we should not accept substandard AIPs or contract language.
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- The legal framework is the FOM, Bluebook, and FSM. It defines how they will exploit you to compensate for the lack of proper staffing.
- The psychological framework is "culture", "juicers", and your natural desire to do an excellent job. I previously provided a link to a research paper
- source: http://faculty.haas.berkeley.edu/cha...ialControl.pdf
- Juicers are the tools (useful idiots) of this management mechanism of control.
- It all relies on your natural ego to want to do a good job. It is deep within each of us. This is not a bad thing - quite the contrary. We should all strive to excel as servant leaders and employees, however, the company is exploiting our good will while not adequately compensating and respecting us.
- Let us not be enablers.
- Let us not subsidize their exploitative model.
These are not honorable people.
History, logic, and basic negotiation philosophy dictates we should not accept substandard AIPs or contract language.
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This is how the military, team sports and herds operate ...
#465
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The argument was that we could send this back and see better results quickly.
I don't know if it's a legit schedule or not, but I know I've seen similar framework in MCO. I'm assuming this guy is JFK.
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The argument was that we could send this back and see better results quickly.
I don't know if it's a legit schedule or not, but I know I've seen similar framework in MCO. I'm assuming this guy is JFK.[/QUOTE]
Guess the guy hates his family...
#467
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I don't know if it's a legit schedule or not, but I know I've seen similar framework in MCO. I'm assuming this guy is JFK.[/QUOTE]
Guess the guy hates his family...[/QUOTE]
He left them three days in there. SMH. Probably the same guy who doesn’t read any union emails, doesn’t wear a lanyard, and didn’t realize we had an AIP until yesterday.
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The argument was that we could send this back and see better results quickly.
I don't know if it's a legit schedule or not, but I know I've seen similar framework in MCO. I'm assuming this guy is JFK.[/QUOTE]
With all the yes voters on here I honestly don't see the problem. The TA will pass, so why not make some money? After all, it looks like we will be selling ourselves at a discount for the foreseeable future.
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