Any negotiation rumors?
#21
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Revenue sharing would be great, but the rest of that is pretty much hogwash.
When the company returns to profitability, we would get profit sharing, if we had a good profit sharing plan. Period.
You don't see Delta and SWA pilots arguing to give up their profit sharing plans... In fact, Delta pilots made it clear that they will not give up their profit sharing plan, despite it being one of management's top goals.
When the company returns to profitability, we would get profit sharing, if we had a good profit sharing plan. Period.
You don't see Delta and SWA pilots arguing to give up their profit sharing plans... In fact, Delta pilots made it clear that they will not give up their profit sharing plan, despite it being one of management's top goals.
Exactly. I do not want to hear anyone say we need to trade something. Channel your inner goonie “it’s our time”
#22
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It’s never a good time to go for PS. In good times it costs the company too much so they won’t give it away…in bad times/ie when there’s no profit, there’s no perceived value to the nearsighted pilot group so they don’t want to deal with trying to get it. Then everyone complains about not having any when delta pilots are out buying Miatas and Porsches with their PS checks. B6 pilots need to play the long game. Profit will come back. Leverage and CBA cycles rarely align to be in a strong position. Now is the time to demand PS, along with industry leading pay rates. Especially given the current industry landscape and hiring environment. And remember, PS costs the company nothing in bad times, not much in marginal times, and only costs them a lot when they are rolling in it…so realistically it shouldn’t take much negotiation capital. Demand it.
Exactly the reason for the merger is to make the company profitable. If we don’t get it this time we never will.
#23
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I can’t imagine a JCBA until the merger is approved. The company would just have to come back and do the entire process over with the Spirit group (3 party negotiation) before an SLI can be done. Giving a contract now doesn’t make any sense. It will likely be 2 years off if the merger is approved.
#24
I can’t imagine a JCBA until the merger is approved. The company would just have to come back and do the entire process over with the Spirit group (3 party negotiation) before an SLI can be done. Giving a contract now doesn’t make any sense. It will likely be 2 years off if the merger is approved.
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#27
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A revenue sharing plan WOULD make it more difficult to ‘cook the books’ because even under GAAP, the opportunities to convert profit into something else - something that won’t trigger profit sharing, are legion. Revenue sharing is like sales tax. If you sell something the government gets a cut. So if management sells a ticket, the pilots get a cut. Simple, basic, and hard to finagle out of.
#28
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Fully agree, PS is too easy for management to get out of. Plus it would be a separate plan that no other work group would have. If we negotiate a better PS scheme blue books dictates that all work groups would get it. Hence why PS will cost us too much but revenue sharing is IMO attainable in CBA 2.0.
2. I love how easy you think it would be for us to achieve something that no other pilot group has ever achieved, ever...
#29
2. I love how easy you think it would be for us to achieve something that no other pilot group has ever achieved, ever...
first time for everything,
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#30
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[QUOTE=Excargodog;3492785]But is it?
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Yes, I already gave you some basic points on the subject.
As for revenue sharing, of course we would all want that. We can't (yet) even get B6 management to give us profit sharing (despite many efforts), which is only paid when the company is making money (and supposedly so easy to get out of... (It's not)), yet you think these same executives are just gonna let us tax their revenue, all the time, whether times are good or bad?
IF I did drugs, I'd ask you to share, because that has to be some good stuff you're using...
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Yes, I already gave you some basic points on the subject.
As for revenue sharing, of course we would all want that. We can't (yet) even get B6 management to give us profit sharing (despite many efforts), which is only paid when the company is making money (and supposedly so easy to get out of... (It's not)), yet you think these same executives are just gonna let us tax their revenue, all the time, whether times are good or bad?
IF I did drugs, I'd ask you to share, because that has to be some good stuff you're using...
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