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~28 hours TAFB

If you would quit imagining things that are not there, we could progress a lot more quickly.

Sorry, it's not wrapped up with a pretty little bow, I didn't know you were so fancy.

If you tell me what information you want I'll give it to you.
Example - I posted ALL of our contract language pertaining to redeye-plus-one. I didn't write the $hitty contract for fu˘ks sake. However, I did post a trip that I personally like to do that is provided by the provided crappy language.

 

Very nice.

Thank you.

 

Fairly simple…. All you need to do is give us Departure times (is 0455 duty on or dep time?)/Arrival times, (don’t know what “back at your house by 9am” entails), city pair just to flesh it out perhaps (in order to give us unfamiliar a good feel for what a redeye +1 means), that’s it. I never asked for a bow, literally just the bare minimum without hostility… just precise information in order for a precise answer, then like you said we can progress much quicker and let bygones be bygones!

 

Top 150 or so peeps on both side probably want the reverse, as those at NK are here longer. I made a combined ISL excel where you can select anything between 100% DOH to 100% RS. For most it is pretty close, biggest change I saw is at around 10 years. NK would go from 20% RS to 35%-40%RS if 100% DOH (unlikely). With 100% RS JB guy would get 400-600 more NK ahead of him than with 100% DOH (unlikely too). NCs will make their pitch, mediator will decide. If everyone is unhappy, he did his job.

 

[QUOTE=Desdi;3585203Again with the hostility…. Are all of you like that?[/QUOTE]

G0d no..........

 

Pairing building takes work rules into account. A lot of NK guys want calendar day, because "those LAS-EWR-LAS 2 leg 3 day trips with a 23 hour layover would pay 15 hours". No, they would not exist, but be buried into a 4 day. Obviously your optimizer works the same. I want great rigs and rates. Trying to get more pay for not working means we will be working harder. Same for 150% for picking up open time. Unless you can force the company to keep open time to a certain percentage it will mean less open time and less schedule flexibility because you can't trade. Always be careful whet you wish for....

 

Precisely right. The more soft time there is in a pairing the more likely it will be optimized into a 4 day trip to smooth out as much rig as possible.

 

NK:
Commuter Policy
1. A pilot commuting to duty shall plan for a minimum of two separate flights that will arrive at his domicile in advance of his normal report time. If the first flight is oversold, delayed, or canceled, or if the pilot is denied a jumpseat or boarding for any reason, he shall notify Crew Scheduling as soon as practical.
2. Crew Scheduling, at its discretion, shall take one of the following actions:
a. Purchase a ticket for the pilot on the next available flight.
b. Advise the pilot to attempt to board the second flight through normal means (e.g., jumpseat, nonrev travel, or OA passes).
3. If for any reason, a pilot is denied boarding on the second planned commuter flight, he shall immediately notify Crew Scheduling, and Crew Scheduling shall assign one of the following options:
a. Assign the pilot an open trip pairing, in consideration of the remaining commuter flights available, and any required rest and duty limitations, so that a pilot will arrive at his domicile in advance of his normal report time for the newly assigned trip.
b. Assign the pilot to reserve duty for no more than the same number of calendar days of his original missed trip pairing (e.g., a pilot who misses a scheduled trip pairing of three calendar days may be assigned to no more than three calendar reserve duty days).
c. Release the pilot from all duty in a non-pay status for the missed trip pairing (i.e., deduct the pay credit for the missed trip pairing from his pay).
4. A pilot who keeps accurate records of his scheduled commuter flights and otherwise complies with the provisions of this commuter policy shall not be subject to discipline for missing trip pairings due to denied boarding.
5. A pilot may use the commuter policy as necessary with no limitations.


JB:
Commuter Rules
1. Pilots utilizing OAL to commute:
a. A commuting Pilot not reporting on time for required duty must be able to verify he was present and listed (a digital record of a CASS listing satisfies this requirement) on two (2) consecutive flights and both were scheduled to arrive in sufficient time to allow him to report on time (a commute with two (2) or more legs is considered one (1) flight for the purpose of this Section).
b. Being rolled over from one flight to the next on the same airline satisfies this requirement.
c. Adequate time between different flights that depart from different ends of the same airport must be taken into consideration by the Pilot.
d. Additional travel time should be taken into consideration by the Pilot on days with adverse weather conditions.
e. Travel time between arrival terminals must be taken into consideration by the Pilot.
2. Pilots utilizing JetBlue Airways to commute:
a. One flight is required if the Pilot can show he was present and listed on a JetBlue flight that was scheduled to arrive at least one (1) hour prior to report time, and the flight had more open seats available than the Pilot’s standby ranking twenty-four (24) hours prior to scheduled departure. A commute with two (2) or more legs is considered one (1) flight for the purpose of this section. One flight is required if the Pilot has a revenue ticket on a flight that was scheduled to arrive at least one (1) hour prior to report time.
b. During Irregular Operations (IROP) a Pilot must be able to verify he was present and listed on two consecutive flights and both were scheduled to arrive in sufficient time to allow him to report on time. One flight is required if the Pilot has a positive space ticket on a flight that was scheduled to arrive at least one (1) hour prior to scheduled report time.
c. Travel time between arrival terminals must be taken into consideration by the Pilot.
d. Adequate time between different flights that depart from different ends of the same airport must be taken into consideration by the Pilot.
3. The Pilot shall contact Crew Services as soon as possible when he has determined that he will not make his show time
4. Pilots who are unable to report for their assigned Pairing:
a. The Pilot shall be placed back onto their originally scheduled Pairing on the first day of that Pairing, if the Pairing passes through the Pilot’s Base. It is the Pilot’s responsibility to communicate their ability to rejoin the Pairing to Crew Services. If the Pilot cannot rejoin his Pairing, Crew Services will either:
i. Reassign the Pilot flight segment(s) falling within the originally scheduled Pairing (OSP) footprint unless the Pilot prefers an alternative available Pairing falling outside the OSP footprint. If no Pairings are available that fall within the OSP footprint,
Crew Services may reassign a Pilot to a Pairing ending within two (2) hours of the OSP. Crew Services shall not assign a Pilot a Pairing with a Redeye segment, without his consent, unless the Pilot’s OSP contained a Redeye segment. Furthermore, Crew Services may reassign the Pilot, with the Pilot’s concurrence, to Reserve (If placed on Reserve, the Pilot shall be paid and credited the value of a Reserve day for each day of Reserve or any Pairing subsequently assigned, whichever is greater); or
ii. Release the Pilot for the entire Pairing if Reserve staffing is sufficient. If released from the Pairing, the Pilot shall have the option to debit his PTO bank for all credit lost up to and including the entire value of the original Pairing.
b. Nothing herein shall prevent Crew Services and the Pilot from mutually agreeing on another assignment (pay will be in accordance with Section 3 – Compensation).
5. The provisions below shall apply to commuting Pilots on Reserve that have not been assigned a Pairing or who have not yet reported for an assigned Pairing:
a. Crew Services shall leave the Pilot’s Reserve Availability Period (RAP) unchanged if the Pilot will arrive at the airport within three (3) hours of the start of his original RAP. Upon arrival, the Pilot shall contact Crew Services and if there is an assignment for him at that time the Reserve call out period shall not apply. If the Pilot arrives more than three (3) hours after the start of his original RAP, Crew Services will either:
i. Assign the Pilot a new RAP. Crew Services shall not assign a Pilot a RAP, without his consent, touching the Redeye Period unless the Pilot was originally scheduled for duty in the Redeye Period; or
ii. release the Pilot for the entire RAP. A Pilot who is released will have the option to use his PTO to receive pay for the value of the Reserve Day.
b. Nothing herein shall prevent Crew Services and the Pilot from mutually agreeing on another assignment (pay will be in accordance with Section 3 – Compensation).
B. Commuting Strategy
A commuting Pilot who complies with the requirements of this Section shall not be subject to discipline based on missed commute unless there is evidence that the mis-commutes are the result of inadequate planning by the Pilot. A Chief Pilot may discuss patterns of commuting problems with the Pilot in an effort to resolve such issues by identifying the source of the problem and assisting in developing alternative commuting strategies. Repeated mis-commutes may be considered in evaluations of a commuting Pilot’s overall dependability.

Discuss....

I know I prefer the shorter version. Only thing I like about JB version is the flexibility after missed commute.

 

Yes, work rules force the company to make changes to pairings. A lot of senior guys are upset now that their 10hr credit day turns are built into junky 4 day trips like above. So now we have more 4day/20hr trips. Better rigs do not always mean better pairings.

for the record I agree that my previous idea of 150% OT is dumb and hereby revoke that from my JCBA suggestion list 😂 More open time is great for line holders, but sucks for Reserves.

 

🤣 (remember, reserve is part of paying dues /s). Not sure how you do premium. Our system pays well. Always 200%, very often last day just DH, so often 20 to fly 1 day. But assignment is always by phone and often a few hours before show , so hard for commuters that like gravy... (also not compliant with the ALPA 117 guide Q/A36, but SPAMEC disagreed with me on that one).