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Old 04-22-2021, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by giggidy View Post
Also when you guys are saying “poolie” I’m assuming that is referencing someone who has already actually applied and is in the “pool” of applicants?
A “poolie” is usually someone who has already interviewed and gotten the CJO. They’re just waiting for a class date.
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Old 04-22-2021, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy View Post
“When the pandemic hit our industry a year ago, we had 34 Pilots in our training pipeline that had not yet been released to OE. I am happy to share that those Pilots are returning to JBU in May and will be fully released to the operation by early summer.....We will also be hiring new Pilots starting in June....Final numbers will depend on how the supplemental bid is awarded, but we should be adding several hundred new Pilots to our ranks this year.”

Good news for the poolies...and other applicants.
Wait.... I thought we are going to furlough and need furlough protection?
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Old 04-22-2021, 02:27 PM
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Hope this is not theater for JetBlue’s arbitration!
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Old 04-22-2021, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork View Post
Hope this is not theater for JetBlue’s arbitration!
Oh the one for when they bargained in bad faith offering furlough protection (when the govt under the new admin would have kept that from happening in perpetuity), and 2% (which traditionally would have been recouped in the next CBA signing bonus)?
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Old 04-23-2021, 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Desdi View Post
Oh the one for when they bargained in bad faith offering furlough protection (when the govt under the new admin would have kept that from happening in perpetuity), and 2% (which traditionally would have been recouped in the next CBA signing bonus)?
ahh that wasn’t a negotiation that was just an offer. There is a big difference. It may be perceived as predatory but not “negotiated in good faith”. There was no bargaining. Negotiation implies that the negotiating committee actual was involved in a give and take scenario it was more of a take it or leave it from the company..
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Old 04-23-2021, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Descendto450 View Post
ahh that wasn’t a negotiation that was just an offer. There is a big difference. It may be perceived as predatory but not “negotiated in good faith”. There was no bargaining. Negotiation implies that the negotiating committee actual was involved in a give and take scenario it was more of a take it or leave it from the company..
Hence why it shouldn’t have even made it out for radification.
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Old 04-23-2021, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Desdi View Post
Hence why it shouldn’t have even made it out for radification.
We will have to agree to disagree on that issue. I was proud to see the democratic process work and unlike LOA 12 where we didn’t even get a chance to vote on it.. It was an offer we rejected it now we get to go to arbitration, hopefully we will win maybe we won’t..
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Old 04-23-2021, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Descendto450 View Post
We will have to agree to disagree on that issue. I was proud to see the democratic process work and unlike LOA 12 where we didn’t even get a chance to vote on it.. It was an offer we rejected it now we get to go to arbitration, hopefully we will win maybe we won’t..
450, let me ask you a few simple questions. Outside of being released by the NMB at the end of section 6, can the company simply put out a vote to reduce the ADG to 4.0, and then simply implement it anyway if the pilots vote no?

Outside of being released by the NMB at the end of section 6, can the company simply put out a vote to reduce pay rates by 20%, and then simply just implement that pay cut anyway if the pilots vote it down?

After you answer those, please explain how this is any different???

The company is directly and explicitly violating the CBA if/when they codeshare between focus cities and/or between a focus city and ANY international destination within the range of the A321NEO.

They CANNOT simply make an offer, and then simply do whatever they please regardless of how the pilots vote.
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Old 04-23-2021, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
450, let me ask you a few simple questions. Outside of being released by the NMB at the end of section 6, can the company simply put out a vote to reduce the ADG to 4.0, and then simply implement it anyway if the pilots vote no?

Outside of being released by the NMB at the end of section 6, can the company simply put out a vote to reduce pay rates by 20%, and then simply just implement that pay cut anyway if the pilots vote it down?

After you answer those, please explain how this is any different???

The company is directly and explicitly violating the CBA if/when they codeshare between focus cities and/or between a focus city and ANY international destination within the range of the A321NEO.

They CANNOT simply make an offer, and then simply do whatever they please regardless of how the pilots vote.
Unfortunately, that’s exactly what they did and now we are fighting it as per the CBA. A negotiation it was not. A last ditch effort to try and gain something before the industry began to recover is what it was. To the company it was just business as usual. Yes they are violating the CBA and hopefully arbitration turns out favorable to us. They obviously think that the CAN just make an offer. We will find out in May/June what the outcome is. Until then it’s all speculation. It is no different then your above mentioned examples except that they were offering something (even if really wasn’t) in return. Uncle Joe called their bluff with the no furloughs if they take the cares act money or it might have turned out different.

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Old 04-23-2021, 12:52 PM
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Arbitration is the first week of may right?

I think we will find out pretty soon after how each side feels their risk is going forward, after talking to the arbitrator.


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