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Old 03-01-2016, 07:37 PM
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Awesome. FWIW, an April 2015 new hire will be bidding top 50% or better as JFK E190 FO when this system bid is complete. BOS isnt quite that junior, but its moving fast as well.

Man at that rate you will be able to upgrade in about 18 years!

For the record that's 16 upgrades in 6 months total time and that includes projections for busy summer flying. 16 is exactly 1/2 of 1 percent of our seniority list. It is obviously not always like this but it's not "awesome".

Everyone has their own reasons for being here and I respect those reasons but upgrade shouldn't be one of them. I enjoy working here and I live in base(the biggest reason, its a life changer in this business) but if I was a commuter and had multiple offers, or a new hire within the last 1-2 years I would be seriously considering alternatives.

Guys hired 5 years ago vs today will have very different careers at JB. It's even more pronounced the further back you go. It's like an inverse exponential graph due to us being such a young company with such a young pilot group.

15 years ago - phenomenal seniority
10 years ago - pretty damn good outside of the country club bases
5 years ago - quick upgrade but perpetual bottom 80% CA
3 years ago - last of the quick upgrade but looking at years and years of rsv as senior guys upgrade on top of you.

Guys hired 5 years ago needed the list to grow from 2000 pilots to 4000 pilots to make 50%.

Guys hired today need it to grow from 3500 to 7000!!!

Huge difference. Because there is no movement from retirements in the next 10 years. (Only about 100 total)



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Old 03-01-2016, 07:39 PM
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Old 03-01-2016, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 View Post
Man at that rate you will be able to upgrade in about 18 years!

For the record that's 16 upgrades in 6 months total time and that includes projections for busy summer flying. 16 is exactly 1/2 of 1 percent of our seniority list. It is obviously not always like this but it's not "awesome".

Everyone has their own reasons for being here and I respect those reasons but upgrade shouldn't be one of them. I enjoy working here and I live in base(the biggest reason, its a life changer in this business) but if I was a commuter and had multiple offers, or a new hire within the last 1-2 years I would be seriously considering alternatives.

Guys hired 5 years ago vs today will have very different careers at JB. It's even more pronounced the further back you go. It's like an inverse exponential graph due to us being such a young company with such a young pilot group.

15 years ago - phenomenal seniority
10 years ago - pretty damn good outside of the country club bases
5 years ago - quick upgrade but perpetual bottom 80% CA
3 years ago - last of the quick upgrade but looking at years and years of rsv as senior guys upgrade on top of you.



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Sorry. My "awesome" was more or less a reaction of the schedule improvement short term as opposed to upgrade potential. I have a crummy commute (cant relocate because the Mil 'side job' is too lucrative), and honestly prefer QOL over captain pay.
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Old 03-01-2016, 07:52 PM
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Sorry. My "awesome" was more or less a reaction of the schedule improvement short term as opposed to upgrade potential. I have a crummy commute (cant relocate because the Mil 'side job' is too lucrative), and honestly prefer QOL over captain pay.

Me too that why I'm sitting in the right seat still. My QOL is far more important at the moment with small children.

I quoted you but my post wasnt aimed at you. Just several months ago guys were on here promoting the 2 year upgrade and making it sound like they would be around forever. It was aimed at them.


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Old 03-02-2016, 04:29 AM
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I think we'll see a large slide from 190 CA over to the 320. 190 Ca may go relatively junior again. I think guys are going to wanna be in the 320 if they can hold it when this contract comes to a TA. AFter that, I'd expect the upgrade time to normalize around the 55-65% range. Upgrades in the 70's just doesn't compute.
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Old 03-02-2016, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 View Post

Guys hired 5 years ago vs today will have very different careers at JB. It's even more pronounced the further back you go. It's like an inverse exponential graph due to us being such a young company with such a young pilot group.

15 years ago - phenomenal seniority
10 years ago - pretty damn good outside of the country club bases
5 years ago - quick upgrade but perpetual bottom 80% CA
3 years ago - last of the quick upgrade but looking at years and years of rsv as senior guys upgrade on top of you.

Guys hired 5 years ago needed the list to grow from 2000 pilots to 4000 pilots to make 50%.

Guys hired today need it to grow from 3500 to 7000!!!

Huge difference. Because there is no movement from retirements in the next 10 years. (Only about 100 total)
Scary how accurate this is. Spot on.
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Old 03-02-2016, 06:39 AM
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Does anyone know if the window closes today or is it open for longer than the 1 week? Also, someone said I could add a letter of rec after I've submitted the actual application. Any idea if this is true? Thanks a lot!
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Old 03-02-2016, 08:07 AM
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Old 03-02-2016, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Temocil27 View Post
Does anyone know if the window closes today or is it open for longer than the 1 week? Also, someone said I could add a letter of rec after I've submitted the actual application. Any idea if this is true? Thanks a lot!
Yes, as long as you applied you can add internal recs and other attachments at your leisure.
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Old 03-02-2016, 08:34 AM
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I have been on for a few months. I'm shooting for the moon and going for CA. I'm going to bring that upgrade time right down!
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