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03-03-2016, 10:55 AM
#7151
SDQ Base Chief
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 5,312
Originally Posted by nuball5
You can also sell your PTO correct? At time and a half, it must add up to a good pay day. Is that what most people at JetBlue do?
Commuters usually burn through their PTO pretty quickly, so they don't sell back very often. I live in base and bid reserve, so I save my PTO and sell back each month to turn a 75hr paycheck into 88.5hrs/mo (9*1.5=13.5).
03-03-2016, 11:03 AM
#7152
What’s it doing now?
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 190CA
Posts: 726
Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
man, I'll have to look in the FSM. I want to say two. This is what I would do. I would UTO a day and sell back 10hrs every month. 17 days on sometimes less with a PRL and 86ish hours credit. Bid weekends and fridays off... work... almost never.
Sell back is great if you can do it. Living in base makes it easy. commuting not so much.
here's to coming out of retirement.
Cheers
9hrs 1-5
10.5 hrs 6-10
12 hrs 11-15
13.5 16-20
15 21 up
Personally, they can have to PTO system... it stinks. we need real sick and vacation. I'd gladly send sell back on it's way as well for an actual vacation system.
Sell back is great if you can do it. Living in base makes it easy. commuting not so much.
here's to coming out of retirement.
Cheers
9hrs 1-5
10.5 hrs 6-10
12 hrs 11-15
13.5 16-20
15 21 up
Personally, they can have to PTO system... it stinks. we need real sick and vacation. I'd gladly send sell back on it's way as well for an actual vacation system.
you're in the minority on that one in this pilot group I hear.
03-03-2016, 11:18 AM
#7153
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,236
Originally Posted by Tom a Hawk
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you're in the minority on that one in this pilot group I hear.
you're in the minority on that one in this pilot group I hear.
03-03-2016, 11:25 AM
#7154
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: Left,Right, Left, Right,Right,Left, Right, Left
Posts: 3,150
I did say personally... but I look at it like this. just spitballing and would depend on what you start with obviously.
I'm about to be year 9. That gives me 126 hrs/year. A week of vacation costs 24.5 hrs. So Industry std. says I should have between 3-4 weeks of vacation a year. I'd like 4 so we'll use that number. So we've planned on burning 98hrs already. that leaves 28 left. The average 3-4 day trip is somewhere between 15-25 hours and that's gonna happen at least once during the year. so lets drop another 20 for arguments sake. Now we're down to 8 hours of fudge factor. 8 hours to be sick, have a sick family member, car wrech or other... life happening event.
So say now you burn two or three of those 3-4 day trips during the year. You've managed to salvage this years vacations but you're bank will be very low going into the new year. Sell back is a myth to you now and you only have enough to bid 3 weeks of vacation for next year assuming you don't let life get you again. and you best stop getting sick or other if you'd like to go on that vacation because if the PTO isn't there 2 months ahead of time you don't get to use it.
This system is set up for you to chase the carrot, want to sell back instead of taking vacation and come to work ill when you shouldn't.
We need a real vacation and sick system. I may or may not be the minority, but the current system is truly broken and out of our favor.
I'm about to be year 9. That gives me 126 hrs/year. A week of vacation costs 24.5 hrs. So Industry std. says I should have between 3-4 weeks of vacation a year. I'd like 4 so we'll use that number. So we've planned on burning 98hrs already. that leaves 28 left. The average 3-4 day trip is somewhere between 15-25 hours and that's gonna happen at least once during the year. so lets drop another 20 for arguments sake. Now we're down to 8 hours of fudge factor. 8 hours to be sick, have a sick family member, car wrech or other... life happening event.
So say now you burn two or three of those 3-4 day trips during the year. You've managed to salvage this years vacations but you're bank will be very low going into the new year. Sell back is a myth to you now and you only have enough to bid 3 weeks of vacation for next year assuming you don't let life get you again. and you best stop getting sick or other if you'd like to go on that vacation because if the PTO isn't there 2 months ahead of time you don't get to use it.
This system is set up for you to chase the carrot, want to sell back instead of taking vacation and come to work ill when you shouldn't.
We need a real vacation and sick system. I may or may not be the minority, but the current system is truly broken and out of our favor.
03-03-2016, 11:36 AM
#7155
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 917
Originally Posted by nuball5
You can also sell your PTO correct? At time and a half, it must add up to a good pay day. Is that what most people at JetBlue do?
03-03-2016, 11:41 AM
#7156
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: Airbus 320 Right Seat
Posts: 1,437
To the regional captain that was asking about income .
I am about to go on 4th year pay, I am a Florida commuter with a Crashpad. My situation is a little dif than the recent guys hired , cause I was lucky enough to get on at the begening of what we ll call this hiring wave that has been going on the last three years. Hire month date of April.
2nd year W2 I made 101,000
3rd year W2 I made 141,000
Last year includes a profit sharing check and selling back the PTO that we get each month. I get the days off I need for vacation therefor don't need vacation , would rather sell it for money.
I keep my credit high , 95 or so. And I always try to swap into trips that pay better. I don't pick up a more days than what I am awarded much , rather swap out unefficient trips for better paying ones. I have to hawk flica in order to get these trip other wise the ninjas always get them. I don't do what we call RSA's or VDA's cause I don't live in base. (Basically signing your self up for flying at a high pay rate, kinda like throwing your self on reserve for a day or two . Plus I like to think that picking up extra time like that could be another new hire on property .
I do live in a Florida Blue city so the commute helps when being really flexible for trips that pop up in open time to make the credit effective.
I agree with what many said on here . Get rid of the PTO system and pay us like most of the industry , our system
Is designed to not want to call
In sick cause you ll loose too much money.
Hopes this gives you an idea of what to expect , really depends how much you wana work. Pay needs to be improved badly , but far from the bottom. People are great and red eyes are the devil.
Good luck
I am about to go on 4th year pay, I am a Florida commuter with a Crashpad. My situation is a little dif than the recent guys hired , cause I was lucky enough to get on at the begening of what we ll call this hiring wave that has been going on the last three years. Hire month date of April.
2nd year W2 I made 101,000
3rd year W2 I made 141,000
Last year includes a profit sharing check and selling back the PTO that we get each month. I get the days off I need for vacation therefor don't need vacation , would rather sell it for money.
I keep my credit high , 95 or so. And I always try to swap into trips that pay better. I don't pick up a more days than what I am awarded much , rather swap out unefficient trips for better paying ones. I have to hawk flica in order to get these trip other wise the ninjas always get them. I don't do what we call RSA's or VDA's cause I don't live in base. (Basically signing your self up for flying at a high pay rate, kinda like throwing your self on reserve for a day or two . Plus I like to think that picking up extra time like that could be another new hire on property .
I do live in a Florida Blue city so the commute helps when being really flexible for trips that pop up in open time to make the credit effective.
I agree with what many said on here . Get rid of the PTO system and pay us like most of the industry , our system
Is designed to not want to call
In sick cause you ll loose too much money.
Hopes this gives you an idea of what to expect , really depends how much you wana work. Pay needs to be improved badly , but far from the bottom. People are great and red eyes are the devil.
Good luck
03-03-2016, 11:53 AM
#7158
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Posts: 204
Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
I did say personally... but I look at it like this. just spitballing and would depend on what you start with obviously.
I'm about to be year 9. That gives me 126 hrs/year. A week of vacation costs 24.5 hrs. So Industry std. says I should have between 3-4 weeks of vacation a year. I'd like 4 so we'll use that number. So we've planned on burning 98hrs already. that leaves 28 left. The average 3-4 day trip is somewhere between 15-25 hours and that's gonna happen at least once during the year. so lets drop another 20 for arguments sake. Now we're down to 8 hours of fudge factor. 8 hours to be sick, have a sick family member, car wrech or other... life happening event.
So say now you burn two or three of those 3-4 day trips during the year. You've managed to salvage this years vacations but you're bank will be very low going into the new year. Sell back is a myth to you now and you only have enough to bid 3 weeks of vacation for next year assuming you don't let life get you again. and you best stop getting sick or other if you'd like to go on that vacation because if the PTO isn't there 2 months ahead of time you don't get to use it.
This system is set up for you to chase the carrot, want to sell back instead of taking vacation and come to work ill when you shouldn't.
We need a real vacation and sick system. I may or may not be the minority, but the current system is truly broken and out of our favor.
I'm about to be year 9. That gives me 126 hrs/year. A week of vacation costs 24.5 hrs. So Industry std. says I should have between 3-4 weeks of vacation a year. I'd like 4 so we'll use that number. So we've planned on burning 98hrs already. that leaves 28 left. The average 3-4 day trip is somewhere between 15-25 hours and that's gonna happen at least once during the year. so lets drop another 20 for arguments sake. Now we're down to 8 hours of fudge factor. 8 hours to be sick, have a sick family member, car wrech or other... life happening event.
So say now you burn two or three of those 3-4 day trips during the year. You've managed to salvage this years vacations but you're bank will be very low going into the new year. Sell back is a myth to you now and you only have enough to bid 3 weeks of vacation for next year assuming you don't let life get you again. and you best stop getting sick or other if you'd like to go on that vacation because if the PTO isn't there 2 months ahead of time you don't get to use it.
This system is set up for you to chase the carrot, want to sell back instead of taking vacation and come to work ill when you shouldn't.
We need a real vacation and sick system. I may or may not be the minority, but the current system is truly broken and out of our favor.
Never really felt like I didn't get enough time off.
03-03-2016, 12:07 PM
#7159
SDQ Base Chief
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 5,312
Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
I did say personally... but I look at it like this. just spitballing and would depend on what you start with obviously.
I'm about to be year 9. That gives me 126 hrs/year. A week of vacation costs 24.5 hrs. So Industry std. says I should have between 3-4 weeks of vacation a year. I'd like 4 so we'll use that number. So we've planned on burning 98hrs already. that leaves 28 left. The average 3-4 day trip is somewhere between 15-25 hours and that's gonna happen at least once during the year. so lets drop another 20 for arguments sake. Now we're down to 8 hours of fudge factor. 8 hours to be sick, have a sick family member, car wrech or other... life happening event.
So say now you burn two or three of those 3-4 day trips during the year. You've managed to salvage this years vacations but you're bank will be very low going into the new year. Sell back is a myth to you now and you only have enough to bid 3 weeks of vacation for next year assuming you don't let life get you again. and you best stop getting sick or other if you'd like to go on that vacation because if the PTO isn't there 2 months ahead of time you don't get to use it.
This system is set up for you to chase the carrot, want to sell back instead of taking vacation and come to work ill when you shouldn't.
We need a real vacation and sick system. I may or may not be the minority, but the current system is truly broken and out of our favor.
I'm about to be year 9. That gives me 126 hrs/year. A week of vacation costs 24.5 hrs. So Industry std. says I should have between 3-4 weeks of vacation a year. I'd like 4 so we'll use that number. So we've planned on burning 98hrs already. that leaves 28 left. The average 3-4 day trip is somewhere between 15-25 hours and that's gonna happen at least once during the year. so lets drop another 20 for arguments sake. Now we're down to 8 hours of fudge factor. 8 hours to be sick, have a sick family member, car wrech or other... life happening event.
So say now you burn two or three of those 3-4 day trips during the year. You've managed to salvage this years vacations but you're bank will be very low going into the new year. Sell back is a myth to you now and you only have enough to bid 3 weeks of vacation for next year assuming you don't let life get you again. and you best stop getting sick or other if you'd like to go on that vacation because if the PTO isn't there 2 months ahead of time you don't get to use it.
This system is set up for you to chase the carrot, want to sell back instead of taking vacation and come to work ill when you shouldn't.
We need a real vacation and sick system. I may or may not be the minority, but the current system is truly broken and out of our favor.
03-03-2016, 12:15 PM
#7160
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 36
So you can certainly work a bunch of you want to, but dropping when you don't want to work can be problematic as you run into 70 hours and this PTO issue.
Straight drop, unpaid, below 70hrs doesn't sound possible, then?
Some months, I'll work my butt off. Other months, I like to work less, even if it means less pay.
Straight drop, unpaid, below 70hrs doesn't sound possible, then?
Some months, I'll work my butt off. Other months, I like to work less, even if it means less pay.
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