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Old 03-03-2016, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by nuball5
You can also sell your PTO correct? At time and a half, it must add up to a good pay day. Is that what most people at JetBlue do?
Yes, you accrue 9hrs/mo PTO for years 1-5 and you can sell back anything above 100hrs for 1.5x base rate.

Commuters usually burn through their PTO pretty quickly, so they don't sell back very often. I live in base and bid reserve, so I save my PTO and sell back each month to turn a 75hr paycheck into 88.5hrs/mo (9*1.5=13.5).
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Old 03-03-2016, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
man, I'll have to look in the FSM. I want to say two. This is what I would do. I would UTO a day and sell back 10hrs every month. 17 days on sometimes less with a PRL and 86ish hours credit. Bid weekends and fridays off... work... almost never.

Sell back is great if you can do it. Living in base makes it easy. commuting not so much.

here's to coming out of retirement.
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Personally, they can have to PTO system... it stinks. we need real sick and vacation. I'd gladly send sell back on it's way as well for an actual vacation system.


you're in the minority on that one in this pilot group I hear.
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Old 03-03-2016, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom a Hawk
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you're in the minority on that one in this pilot group I hear.
PTO sell back benefits the company more than the pilot so I bet they keep it in some form. A total revamp of the system is needed however. The only ones who don't think so are the top 10% of the list.
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Old 03-03-2016, 10:25 AM
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I did say personally... but I look at it like this. just spitballing and would depend on what you start with obviously.

I'm about to be year 9. That gives me 126 hrs/year. A week of vacation costs 24.5 hrs. So Industry std. says I should have between 3-4 weeks of vacation a year. I'd like 4 so we'll use that number. So we've planned on burning 98hrs already. that leaves 28 left. The average 3-4 day trip is somewhere between 15-25 hours and that's gonna happen at least once during the year. so lets drop another 20 for arguments sake. Now we're down to 8 hours of fudge factor. 8 hours to be sick, have a sick family member, car wrech or other... life happening event.

So say now you burn two or three of those 3-4 day trips during the year. You've managed to salvage this years vacations but you're bank will be very low going into the new year. Sell back is a myth to you now and you only have enough to bid 3 weeks of vacation for next year assuming you don't let life get you again. and you best stop getting sick or other if you'd like to go on that vacation because if the PTO isn't there 2 months ahead of time you don't get to use it.

This system is set up for you to chase the carrot, want to sell back instead of taking vacation and come to work ill when you shouldn't.

We need a real vacation and sick system. I may or may not be the minority, but the current system is truly broken and out of our favor.
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Old 03-03-2016, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by nuball5
You can also sell your PTO correct? At time and a half, it must add up to a good pay day. Is that what most people at JetBlue do?
It's only time and a half for hours sold back over 100 hrs in your PTO bank, otherwise it's straight pay.
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Old 03-03-2016, 10:41 AM
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To the regional captain that was asking about income .

I am about to go on 4th year pay, I am a Florida commuter with a Crashpad. My situation is a little dif than the recent guys hired , cause I was lucky enough to get on at the begening of what we ll call this hiring wave that has been going on the last three years. Hire month date of April.

2nd year W2 I made 101,000
3rd year W2 I made 141,000

Last year includes a profit sharing check and selling back the PTO that we get each month. I get the days off I need for vacation therefor don't need vacation , would rather sell it for money.

I keep my credit high , 95 or so. And I always try to swap into trips that pay better. I don't pick up a more days than what I am awarded much , rather swap out unefficient trips for better paying ones. I have to hawk flica in order to get these trip other wise the ninjas always get them. I don't do what we call RSA's or VDA's cause I don't live in base. (Basically signing your self up for flying at a high pay rate, kinda like throwing your self on reserve for a day or two . Plus I like to think that picking up extra time like that could be another new hire on property .

I do live in a Florida Blue city so the commute helps when being really flexible for trips that pop up in open time to make the credit effective.

I agree with what many said on here . Get rid of the PTO system and pay us like most of the industry , our system
Is designed to not want to call
In sick cause you ll loose too much money.

Hopes this gives you an idea of what to expect , really depends how much you wana work. Pay needs to be improved badly , but far from the bottom. People are great and red eyes are the devil.

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Old 03-03-2016, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by capt707
It's only time and a half for hours sold back over 100 hrs in your PTO bank, otherwise it's straight pay.
Or if you use it for vacation.
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Old 03-03-2016, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
I did say personally... but I look at it like this. just spitballing and would depend on what you start with obviously.

I'm about to be year 9. That gives me 126 hrs/year. A week of vacation costs 24.5 hrs. So Industry std. says I should have between 3-4 weeks of vacation a year. I'd like 4 so we'll use that number. So we've planned on burning 98hrs already. that leaves 28 left. The average 3-4 day trip is somewhere between 15-25 hours and that's gonna happen at least once during the year. so lets drop another 20 for arguments sake. Now we're down to 8 hours of fudge factor. 8 hours to be sick, have a sick family member, car wrech or other... life happening event.

So say now you burn two or three of those 3-4 day trips during the year. You've managed to salvage this years vacations but you're bank will be very low going into the new year. Sell back is a myth to you now and you only have enough to bid 3 weeks of vacation for next year assuming you don't let life get you again. and you best stop getting sick or other if you'd like to go on that vacation because if the PTO isn't there 2 months ahead of time you don't get to use it.

This system is set up for you to chase the carrot, want to sell back instead of taking vacation and come to work ill when you shouldn't.

We need a real vacation and sick system. I may or may not be the minority, but the current system is truly broken and out of our favor.
That IS super restrictive. The flexibility allowed by PTO and the sale thereof is great and all, but in terms of realized days off I had almost twice the numbers we are talking about at my former regional at ten years of seniority. Four full weeks of vacation and 5 hours/month of sick leave accrual. You couldn't cash out either (except vaca upon termination or occasional company invitation).

Never really felt like I didn't get enough time off.
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Old 03-03-2016, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
I did say personally... but I look at it like this. just spitballing and would depend on what you start with obviously.

I'm about to be year 9. That gives me 126 hrs/year. A week of vacation costs 24.5 hrs. So Industry std. says I should have between 3-4 weeks of vacation a year. I'd like 4 so we'll use that number. So we've planned on burning 98hrs already. that leaves 28 left. The average 3-4 day trip is somewhere between 15-25 hours and that's gonna happen at least once during the year. so lets drop another 20 for arguments sake. Now we're down to 8 hours of fudge factor. 8 hours to be sick, have a sick family member, car wrech or other... life happening event.

So say now you burn two or three of those 3-4 day trips during the year. You've managed to salvage this years vacations but you're bank will be very low going into the new year. Sell back is a myth to you now and you only have enough to bid 3 weeks of vacation for next year assuming you don't let life get you again. and you best stop getting sick or other if you'd like to go on that vacation because if the PTO isn't there 2 months ahead of time you don't get to use it.

This system is set up for you to chase the carrot, want to sell back instead of taking vacation and come to work ill when you shouldn't.

We need a real vacation and sick system. I may or may not be the minority, but the current system is truly broken and out of our favor.
The problem is accrual rates should be doubled at a minimum. You should be getting 250hrs/yr+ of PTO. Also vacation bidding and distribution is a farce, and needs to be addressed. But that's a new can of worms.
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Old 03-03-2016, 11:15 AM
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So you can certainly work a bunch of you want to, but dropping when you don't want to work can be problematic as you run into 70 hours and this PTO issue.

Straight drop, unpaid, below 70hrs doesn't sound possible, then?

Some months, I'll work my butt off. Other months, I like to work less, even if it means less pay.
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