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01-23-2021, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by nuball5
Well do you think maybe you’re looking at this deal only from the vantage point of a pilot? Where Jetblue pilots will maybe start to hire again, which means growth, better QOL, upgrades etc etc....and the other side maybe not so much.
I’m pretty sure when management from both sides first sat down to work out this agreement, that the livelihoods of both pilot groups weren’t thought about much at all. The fruits that the Jetblue pilots received was just a byproduct of this alliance. A lot of that fruit is tied to Section 1 of our contract.
This allows AA to partner with another big player in the Northeast and remain competitive against both United and Delta. This agreement is mutually beneficial to both parties. No one forced AA to come to the table.
I’m pretty sure when management from both sides first sat down to work out this agreement, that the livelihoods of both pilot groups weren’t thought about much at all. The fruits that the Jetblue pilots received was just a byproduct of this alliance. A lot of that fruit is tied to Section 1 of our contract.
This allows AA to partner with another big player in the Northeast and remain competitive against both United and Delta. This agreement is mutually beneficial to both parties. No one forced AA to come to the table.
01-23-2021, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
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01-23-2021, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
I’m sorry I won’t ask anymore questions. Thank you obviously this will be great for all of us and work out perfectly. Now where does this pilot sign.
Where did I say that it was a perfectly fantastic deal for us? They also don’t need your signature to get this alliance started anyway. You said this deal was not so hot for American, but I’m sure their management is very happy with it.
01-23-2021, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by nuball5
Where did I say that it was a perfectly fantastic deal for us? They also don’t need your signature to get this alliance started anyway. You said this deal was not so hot for American, but I’m sure their management is very happy with it.
It’s called an opinion but I’m just a pilot who looks at it like a pilot. You apparently have a much higher level understanding.
and to be clear I said it “seems” not so hot for AA. Again my opinion
so we will just put you down as a (yes)
01-23-2021, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
To get started no they don’t but apparently to finish it they do.
It’s called an opinion but I’m just a pilot who looks at it like a pilot. You apparently have a much higher level understanding.
and to be clear I said it “seems” not so hot for AA. Again my opinion
so we will just put you down as a (yes)
It’s called an opinion but I’m just a pilot who looks at it like a pilot. You apparently have a much higher level understanding.
and to be clear I said it “seems” not so hot for AA. Again my opinion
so we will just put you down as a (yes)
01-23-2021, 02:43 PM
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Well then! Those last 10 pages were interesting...
So, management has announced this partnership with AA and has said it brings a LOT of revenue to the company, can bring 40 planes in it's originally conceived form back to use, but indications are this LOA will be even bigger than what we know so far. So likely more than 40 aircraft worth of flying. The deal will give JB use of significant new LGA slots, and maybe many more JFK slots. These slots are essentially UNOBTAINIUM. Can't get them anywhere else, and the company WANTS them. And the company has clearly been one of the most aggressive with positioning itself for the future post pandemic.
So why would we think the company will trash it's AA plans and furlough simply because the pilots vote NO and ask for profit sharing language, something that costs them NOTHING for several years and something they had already committed to reviewing in the next year or so?
So, management has announced this partnership with AA and has said it brings a LOT of revenue to the company, can bring 40 planes in it's originally conceived form back to use, but indications are this LOA will be even bigger than what we know so far. So likely more than 40 aircraft worth of flying. The deal will give JB use of significant new LGA slots, and maybe many more JFK slots. These slots are essentially UNOBTAINIUM. Can't get them anywhere else, and the company WANTS them. And the company has clearly been one of the most aggressive with positioning itself for the future post pandemic.
So why would we think the company will trash it's AA plans and furlough simply because the pilots vote NO and ask for profit sharing language, something that costs them NOTHING for several years and something they had already committed to reviewing in the next year or so?
01-23-2021, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Well then! Those last 10 pages were interesting...
So, management has announced this partnership with AA and has said it brings a LOT of revenue to the company, can bring 40 planes in it's originally conceived form back to use, but indications are this LOA will be even bigger than what we know so far. So likely more than 40 aircraft worth of flying. The deal will give JB use of significant new LGA slots, and maybe many more JFK slots. These slots are essentially UNOBTAINIUM. Can't get them anywhere else, and the company WANTS them. And the company has clearly been one of the most aggressive with positioning itself for the future post pandemic.
So why would we think the company will trash it's AA plans and furlough simply because the pilots vote NO and ask for profit sharing language, something that costs them NOTHING for several years and something they had already committed to reviewing in the next year or so?
So, management has announced this partnership with AA and has said it brings a LOT of revenue to the company, can bring 40 planes in it's originally conceived form back to use, but indications are this LOA will be even bigger than what we know so far. So likely more than 40 aircraft worth of flying. The deal will give JB use of significant new LGA slots, and maybe many more JFK slots. These slots are essentially UNOBTAINIUM. Can't get them anywhere else, and the company WANTS them. And the company has clearly been one of the most aggressive with positioning itself for the future post pandemic.
So why would we think the company will trash it's AA plans and furlough simply because the pilots vote NO and ask for profit sharing language, something that costs them NOTHING for several years and something they had already committed to reviewing in the next year or so?
01-23-2021, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by nuball5
That’s fine, I appreciate different opinions. I wasn’t trying to pick a fight....I thought it was just a healthy conversation.
(that’s sarcasm) I am definitely interested to read this thing and hope it’s good.
01-23-2021, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
who isn’t calm?
01-23-2021, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Bgood
I'm telling everyone questioning if London will be affected by codeshare to not worry about that. No need to be skeptical when you can find your answer in the docx, that's all I'm saying.
keep calm and codeshare on
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