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01-23-2021, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
Just depends on how those that’s have power choose to use it. But we are definitely cogs and many just figured out our “society” while it seems solid can easily fall apart.
Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.
Abraham Lincoln
Now who is bidding the LR?
Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.
Abraham LincolnNow who is bidding the LR?
01-23-2021, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
just have to hold bus pilot and what I assume will be “European sub division”
However it will be interesting to see the impact of our agreement with AA and how much we actually do over the pond (if we vote yes)
However it will be interesting to see the impact of our agreement with AA and how much we actually do over the pond (if we vote yes)
01-23-2021, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman
They didn’t order the LRs and XLRs to not fly over the pond.
01-23-2021, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
Was that order placed before or after this AA thing? I’m not saying we won’t do it just saying it might not be as much as we thought.
“Only capacity additions that are within the scope of the Northeast Alliance will count towards seat capacity. Specially JetBlue’s transatlantic capacity will not included.”
So why include that in the agreement if Jetblue wants to codeshare their transatlantic flying that they’re capable of operating over to AA?
01-23-2021, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by nuball5
It has nothing to do when the planes were ordered.
“Only capacity additions that are within the scope of the Northeast Alliance will count towards seat capacity. Specially JetBlue’s transatlantic capacity will not included.”
So why include that in the agreement if Jetblue wants to codeshare their transatlantic flying that they’re capable of operating over to AA?
“Only capacity additions that are within the scope of the Northeast Alliance will count towards seat capacity. Specially JetBlue’s transatlantic capacity will not included.”
So why include that in the agreement if Jetblue wants to codeshare their transatlantic flying that they’re capable of operating over to AA?
I have no idea what the plans are it just seems strange to me that AA agrees to all of this and we also start really building up transatlantic flying when a lot of this I assume will feed their international flying. Hey I’m all for it just skeptical.
01-23-2021, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
well I think that capacity agreement is so we and AA don’t have to divest more slots.
I have no idea what the plans are it just seems strange to me that AA agrees to all of this and we also start really building up transatlantic flying when a lot of this I assume will feed their international flying. Hey I’m all for it just skeptical.
I have no idea what the plans are it just seems strange to me that AA agrees to all of this and we also start really building up transatlantic flying when a lot of this I assume will feed their international flying. Hey I’m all for it just skeptical.
01-23-2021, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
well I think that capacity agreement is so we and AA don’t have to divest more slots.
I have no idea what the plans are it just seems strange to me that AA agrees to all of this and we also start really building up transatlantic flying when a lot of this I assume will feed their international flying. Hey I’m all for it just skeptical.
I have no idea what the plans are it just seems strange to me that AA agrees to all of this and we also start really building up transatlantic flying when a lot of this I assume will feed their international flying. Hey I’m all for it just skeptical.
We’ll see how the plan materializes over time. I think for now our fairly small aspirations to London will be flown on Jetblue metal per the agreement. I’m personally not losing sleep over a paper designed XLR with no other European cities announced until some other day in the future. You know Jetblue will be conservative with their capital expenditures for several years. Let’s get past Covid and make our way into London first. My opinion.
01-23-2021, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bgood
documents say it and, to a lesser credibility, the mgmt team said it over and over again. Codeshare won't affect our Trannzy. Lets rest our brain for a little while. Calm down and wait to tare apart that LOA language. I'll throw my hat in that LR bid.
01-23-2021, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by nuball5
I understand that it’s to avoid divesting more slots. Why then was Jetblue TATL flying excluded in reaching those benchmarks?
We’ll see how the plan materializes over time. I think for now our fairly small aspirations to London will be flown on Jetblue metal per the agreement. I’m personally not losing sleep over a paper designed XLR with no other European cities announced until some other day in the future. You know Jetblue will be conservative with their capital expenditures for several years. Let’s get past Covid and make our way into London first. My opinion.
We’ll see how the plan materializes over time. I think for now our fairly small aspirations to London will be flown on Jetblue metal per the agreement. I’m personally not losing sleep over a paper designed XLR with no other European cities announced until some other day in the future. You know Jetblue will be conservative with their capital expenditures for several years. Let’s get past Covid and make our way into London first. My opinion.
Obviously we need to read the TA and if that’s how this all works great.
01-23-2021, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
Thats kind of my point it’s seems like a very good deal for jetblue and not so hot for AA. We basically get to pull all of our planes out of the desert start hiring even have significant growth AND start building TATL ops.
Obviously we need to read the TA and if that’s how this all works great.
Obviously we need to read the TA and if that’s how this all works great.
I’m pretty sure when management from both sides first sat down to work out this agreement, that the livelihoods of both pilot groups weren’t thought about much at all. The fruits that the Jetblue pilots received was just a byproduct of this alliance. A lot of that fruit is tied to Section 1 of our contract.
This allows AA to partner with another big player in the Northeast and remain competitive against both United and Delta. This agreement is mutually beneficial to both parties. No one forced AA to come to the table.
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