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Old 08-02-2022, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by mavsfflife View Post
You lose it and have to rebid as a captain when you upgrade for whatever weeks remaining are available.
That's how it was here before our 1st CBA. Also, before the first CBA JB had quarterly bids. One of the unions priorities with the first CBA was to guarantee you don't lose your vacation when you change bases/seats/aircraft, so the compromise with the company to guarantee you keep your awarded vacation was this annual system bid.

I'm not arguing the merits of the system, just explaining what/why it is. In this annual system bid, everyone bids for their seat/base/aircraft for the following year, with generally 4 quarterly effective dates. After the system bid award, we bid for our vacation for next year, and the system knows which seat/base/aircraft you will be in for the vacation bid.

For an example, if for 2023 you are an FO for the first half of the year and will be a captain for the second half, you will use your FO seniority to bid for vacation periods in the first half of the year and you will use your new captain seniority to bid for vacation periods in the second half of the year. So what ever vacation weeks you can hold, you will keep.

Now if the company runs a supplemental bid at any point after the annual bid, you can bid a different seat/base/aircraft and you still keep your original awarded vacation.

I can go into more detail as to why the company demanded the annual system bid as a requirement for giving vacation guarantee, but the short version is the pilots also wanted more peak summer vacation week allocation, and peek summer vacation periods+peak summer block hours basically ARE the determining factor in total staffing required for that seat. The company was afraid that each year the senior FOs (who would still be junior captains seniority wise) would bid for all their summer vacation slots as an FO then take the next quarterly system bid for upgrade and keep those summer weeks as a captain for the following year. Now the company had already distributed all the summer captain weeks to senior captains, and now would have to also give all the new upgrading junior captains summer weeks off, just when peak block hours also require the highest staffing levels.

Hope that makes sense. Again, not arguing the merits, just explaining the what/why.
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Old 08-02-2022, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by avi8orco View Post
It is not going to prevent the carnage seen in LGB.

They are running the system bid with the displacement, therefore according to the contract, the vacancy is run first. So starting at the most senior person bidding for a vacancy, system wide, they will get what they want and can hold, including those open MCO spots if that’s what they bid. In theory, those MCO openings could hypothetically be gone by the time the bid reaches a displaced MCO 190 pilot if they are bid by senior pilots. That will not happen, however, even if it was straight 65 CA and 65 FO openings on the 320 in MCO and there are 65 CA and 65 FOs displaced off the 190 MCO, all of those 190 pilots will not get those spots, I guarantee there will be senior pilots denying them for those openings. Once the vacancy is finished, then, the displacement will be run.

Any MCO 190 pilot that did not get what they want in the system bid that is, run first, will be displaced to their award on their involuntary displacement preference. Being that this is run as a displacement, they will be awarded whatever they can hold, regardless if there’s a vacancy for it. They will therefore displace someone, that person will then displace someone, and so on till the most junior person is displaced then it starts over again with the next senior displaced 190 pilot who starts another domino effect.

This whole scenario is exactly what happened in LA because there was a displacement of LGB pilots, and at the same time, the same number of LA vacancies. So many of those displaced LGB pilots were not able to hold LA due to senior pilots elsewhere in the system wanting LA and being awarded it as the vacancy happens first. The 190 MCO pilots are not just going to slide over just like the LGB pilots didn’t and it caused a training domino effect system wide.

Expect a similar scenario this time around.
Originally Posted by Flyby1206 View Post
MCO 190 pilots are all displaced 4/23 which created massive displacements through the system. The displaced pilots all have rights to their displaced seat, and the very next day there is a massive vacancy effective date.

the thinking is this will protect as many pilots as possible with displacement rights.
I think Flyby is exactly right. By processing the displacement bid one day before the vacancy bid, the company is making sure the displaced pilots get first claim on the empty seats and mitigating the “carnage” that was seen with the LGB closure. Now senior folks can’t voluntarily displace into categories and bump people out of their seats causing ripples all around the system. Pretty smart move actually.
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Old 08-02-2022, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip View Post
At United based in EWR.
D stink so bad you’re promoting UAL in EWR?
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Old 08-02-2022, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Wipeout View Post
don’t become that guy.
Sadly it would appear it's too late.
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Old 08-02-2022, 04:31 PM
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Jeepers, fellas, it was a joke. One I would have made before I left.
(And it’s really not even a joke if EWR is what someone really wants.)
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Old 08-02-2022, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip View Post
Jeepers, fellas, it was a joke. One I would have made before I left.
(And it’s really not even a joke if EWR is what someone really wants.)

key words (you left)
you can joke around all you want while here but……..
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Old 08-02-2022, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne View Post
key words (you left)
you can joke around all you want while here but……..
Got to be like that, huh?
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Old 08-02-2022, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip View Post
Got to be like that, huh?
Are you tired of the F-teener stories already? Came back to ole blue for a tummy rub? If you know where the wind is coming from do you still need to do a wind check?
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Old 08-02-2022, 07:08 PM
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Lay off Potato chip... Been a good dude/gal.
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Old 08-02-2022, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
Lay off Potato chip... Been a good dude/gal.
Nope,

That there is a rotten tater. He went the way of the terra blues. Never to return. JK
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