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09-22-2022, 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork
God I hope not. 4FS ... SkyWest had 737 rates in the SP.
09-22-2022, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
If JB mgmt is serious about their plans to challenge the legacies then they will need WBs. If they want to spend $3.5b on NK just to consolidate back to a NE-Florida carrier then they won’t need WBs.
DFW competes directly with AA and SW
ATL competes directly with DL and SW
ORD competes directly with AA, SW and UA
LAX isn’t a hub for us but we have slots that allow competition with pretty much everyone….
You don’t need widebodies to compete with the big 4…. You need access & pilots…
09-22-2022, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Tranquility
Where did you get the impression that the acquisition of Spirit is just to consolidate back the the NE?? With some of NKs hubs, it provides them with a direct competition launch pad in several legacy hubs…
DFW competes directly with AA and SW
ATL competes directly with DL and SW
ORD competes directly with AA, SW and UA
LAX isn’t a hub for us but we have slots that allow competition with pretty much everyone….
You don’t need widebodies to compete with the big 4…. You need access & pilots…
DFW competes directly with AA and SW
ATL competes directly with DL and SW
ORD competes directly with AA, SW and UA
LAX isn’t a hub for us but we have slots that allow competition with pretty much everyone….
You don’t need widebodies to compete with the big 4…. You need access & pilots…
The previous poster was alluding to how WB pay would only be a carrot just like it was at Skywest with 737 pay rates, but never actually operated them. I think by 2030 it is reasonable to see WBs on the ramp flown by JB pilots.
09-22-2022, 07:26 AM
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I don’t think WB’s are in the near future as much as I would like them. Seeing United and AA each order 50 321XLR. We can do a lot of international flying with that plane. We just have to pump our numbers up. We got like what,16 of them on order. Those are amateur numbers. It’s the 75 killer and we can compete in Europe with it.
09-22-2022, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Tranquility
Where did you get the impression that the acquisition of Spirit is just to consolidate back the the NE?? With some of NKs hubs, it provides them with a direct competition launch pad in several legacy hubs…
DFW competes directly with AA and SW
ATL competes directly with DL and SW
ORD competes directly with AA, SW and UA
LAX isn’t a hub for us but we have slots that allow competition with pretty much everyone….
You don’t need widebodies to compete with the big 4…. You need access & pilots…
DFW competes directly with AA and SW
ATL competes directly with DL and SW
ORD competes directly with AA, SW and UA
LAX isn’t a hub for us but we have slots that allow competition with pretty much everyone….
You don’t need widebodies to compete with the big 4…. You need access & pilots…
09-22-2022, 07:49 AM
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If the NEA gets struck down, or restrictions exist where revenue sharing isn’t allowed and it becomes a simple codeshare, then maybe WBs would make sense. But it’s a whole lot less risk, while still allowing revenue sharing, for jetblue to slap its code on AA’s widebodies and still pull revenue from them (and the NEA as it stands now disallows B6 flying AA code TATL). Then again, the initial term of the NEA ends in what, 2030 or so anyway? So perhaps even if it sticks as is until then, there’s a possibility that WBs are ordered to start sometime around then. But, who knows. Not making any plans to bid WB anytime soon, personally.
09-22-2022, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
If JB mgmt is serious about their plans to challenge the legacies then they will need WBs. If they want to spend $3.5b on NK just to consolidate back to a NE-Florida carrier then they won’t need WBs.
I'm assuming that's the point of the LR/XLR going to Europe? Make sure the product works, get the marketing "right" on the other side of the pond (since over there LCC brings up images of Ryanair), and then bring that product to WBs once it's been established?
I can't imagine they would go through with buying NK just to continue to limit the company to NE-Florida, only thing that makes sense is using that to get B6 to the middle of the country, IMHO.
09-22-2022, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by IPAsallday
I don’t think WB’s are in the near future as much as I would like them. Seeing United and AA each order 50 321XLR. We can do a lot of international flying with that plane. We just have to pump our numbers up. We got like what,16 of them on order. Those are amateur numbers. It’s the 75 killer and we can compete in Europe with it.
Originally Posted by I was inverted
If the NEA gets struck down, or restrictions exist where revenue sharing isn’t allowed and it becomes a simple codeshare, then maybe WBs would make sense. But it’s a whole lot less risk, while still allowing revenue sharing, for jetblue to slap its code on AA’s widebodies and still pull revenue from them (and the NEA as it stands now disallows B6 flying AA code TATL). Then again, the initial term of the NEA ends in what, 2030 or so anyway? So perhaps even if it sticks as is until then, there’s a possibility that WBs are ordered to start sometime around then. But, who knows. Not making any plans to bid WB anytime soon, personally.
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