Didn't y'all used to do an overnight redeye turn to LIM from FLL? That seemed crazy and painful to me.

 

Not to my knowledge, but its possible. We regularly do STI, SDQ, and SJU red eye turns out of BOS/JFK. They're painful.

 

No it was never a turn.

 

They're trying to save a buck but it feels like they're again tripping over dollars to pickup nickels.

I was just looking over the pairings for BSQ and it's absolutely stupid what they're trying to do. There's a handful of pairings that have you flying a domestic leg and then swapping jets and flying to London. One of them you're doing Rochester-JFK and have a 1hr turn to then go to London. There's a couple others that make no sense, like a day 3 limo to BOS from ORH with a 45 minute turn to then operate to Amsterdam. SQ pairings are suppose to have a 90 minute prior report time for briefings and prep. Maybe they'll adjust the times but I'm scratching my head at some of this stuff. The ROC flight I can't see being adjusted because the flight times are scheduled already. So basically you need to be on time, then go meet your crew to have a proper ETOPS briefing prior to doing a crossing, all within 1 hour?

There's also a lot of day 2 ending in JFK late (After midnight) and then going to Europe the next day. An 0030 arrival into JFK puts you into the hotel well after 0100 and that's if the flight is on time into JFK, which is a crapshoot at that time of night. Yes, you have a late report for the EU flight, but the beauty of international flying is you normally get a good night sleep the day prior, then take an afternoon nap prior to report. The above scenario puts you in a spot where you're probably not sleeping great that night and then you need to daysleep on top of it before that night flight. Yes, "Fatigue" is the magic word, but the company is setting pilots up for failure.

I agree that this won't last forever, but I'd also rather not tick off our customers, especially those who are paying a lot of money to fly to Europe while we're trying to up our NPS scores and our on-time numbers. I can't imagine that would be a very accepting PA. "Sorry our Paris flight is late, our previous flight from ROC had a mechanical and we needed time to get food here before flying you across the pond."

 

Yeah I saw those, and they’re nasty. I smirk at stuff like this, because although CBA compliant, these pairings have failure written all over them. And when they do, the experiment will be over. Let them find out the hard way.

 

LIM was never a turn, I suspect you might be referring to FLL-MDE which was a scheduled ~7hr redeye turn a few years ago.

 

My favorite I saw was DCA-BOS-BCN, with a deadhead on an A220 (the airplane that never breaks) at 6PM (late evening DCA flights are always on time.)

I thought TATL operations were high margin, high value stuff? Now we’re guaranteeing the flights go out late, with underprepared crews? Did ChatGPT come up with this plan?

I think SQ is officially the worst gig at this company now.

 

Funny you say that. I made almost the EXACT same post about the EXACT same pairing over
on BP.

That pairing is no bueno.

 

Even funnier that our COO is a pilot and can’t even see these things. It’s all good though, I’ll be sitting idly to take the broken scraps.

 

Jetblue did convince the POI to allow transcon turns once upon a time. The DNA for bending/breaking conventions is alive and well with the bluejet.