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09-24-2017 | 07:29 AM
#4221
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An AIP/TA by January is insane false hope. This company does NOT need a CBA to plan its future. The "complex" items are agreed to already for the most part and for the remaining expensive items they can just look at our peers and KNOW every single piece of our CBA and "plan" for anything. Not that they do much "planning" around here.
It will almost surely require some brand embarrassment (picketing, media, billboards, etc...) or a transactional event to get them to agree to a CBA prior to their original plan (hell freezing over).
It will almost surely require some brand embarrassment (picketing, media, billboards, etc...) or a transactional event to get them to agree to a CBA prior to their original plan (hell freezing over).
09-24-2017 | 09:25 AM
#4223
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From: 1Durrty5
I don't think we would start over from nothing, were that to happen.
The JetBlue MEC and Frontier MEC would develop a strategy along with ALPA national and then negotiate a Transitional Progress Agreement with management, outlining a path to a joint collective bargaining agreement.
I'm not 100% certain about the details of how this would all go down, but as far as I know that's essentially how it worked for the Alaska and Virgin merger.
That merger happened in April of 2016 and they're about to get the arbitration ruling next month, so it's reasonable to expect an 18 month timeline.
A merger would mean an imminent deal would not be likely, but we would certainly not start over at square one again.
The JetBlue MEC and Frontier MEC would develop a strategy along with ALPA national and then negotiate a Transitional Progress Agreement with management, outlining a path to a joint collective bargaining agreement.
I'm not 100% certain about the details of how this would all go down, but as far as I know that's essentially how it worked for the Alaska and Virgin merger.
That merger happened in April of 2016 and they're about to get the arbitration ruling next month, so it's reasonable to expect an 18 month timeline.
A merger would mean an imminent deal would not be likely, but we would certainly not start over at square one again.
09-24-2017 | 01:12 PM
#4224
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No one means that we would literally start over. But I think 18 ADDITIONAL months is a huge deal considering we have almost everything done right now.
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09-24-2017 | 01:42 PM
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From: 1Durrty5
You mentioned the possibility of purchasing Frontier and starting the process all over. I'm sorry for misinterpreting that statement as meaning starting over from square one.
09-24-2017 | 02:43 PM
#4226
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I don't think we would start over from nothing, were that to happen.
The JetBlue MEC and Frontier MEC would develop a strategy along with ALPA national and then negotiate a Transitional Progress Agreement with management, outlining a path to a joint collective bargaining agreement.
I'm not 100% certain about the details of how this would all go down, but as far as I know that's essentially how it worked for the Alaska and Virgin merger.
That merger happened in April of 2016 and they're about to get the arbitration ruling next month, so it's reasonable to expect an 18 month timeline.
A merger would mean an imminent deal would not be likely, but we would certainly not start over at square one again.
The JetBlue MEC and Frontier MEC would develop a strategy along with ALPA national and then negotiate a Transitional Progress Agreement with management, outlining a path to a joint collective bargaining agreement.
I'm not 100% certain about the details of how this would all go down, but as far as I know that's essentially how it worked for the Alaska and Virgin merger.
That merger happened in April of 2016 and they're about to get the arbitration ruling next month, so it's reasonable to expect an 18 month timeline.
A merger would mean an imminent deal would not be likely, but we would certainly not start over at square one again.
We need to picket and to prepare for a strike vote- not that we'll ever be released; we wont.
09-24-2017 | 02:45 PM
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That would trigger many to bail, which is what this management team deserves. That smug email from PH was telltale--They think we'll wait forever. Im looking forward to seeing the attrition numbers upcoming.
We need to picket and to prepare for a strike vote- not that we'll ever be released; we wont.
We need to picket and to prepare for a strike vote- not that we'll ever be released; we wont.
People should go if they aren’t happy. Life is too short.
09-24-2017 | 04:09 PM
#4229
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Bozo ans Southernern are describing the sentiment of the majority of jetblue pilots.
WE LIKE IT HERE! We don't want to leave. We want management to make decisions, inspire growth and create new opportunities (future planning goals) according to the company's legacy.
But..................
We work hard to make it a great place. That work is the brand that people come back to and tell their friends. We DESERVE to be compensated at a per set industry hourly wages, vacation and retirement. AND The compensation should have a direct relative relationship with how much revenue and profit the company is generating.
Simple.
-Bubs
WE LIKE IT HERE! We don't want to leave. We want management to make decisions, inspire growth and create new opportunities (future planning goals) according to the company's legacy.
But..................
We work hard to make it a great place. That work is the brand that people come back to and tell their friends. We DESERVE to be compensated at a per set industry hourly wages, vacation and retirement. AND The compensation should have a direct relative relationship with how much revenue and profit the company is generating.
Simple.
-Bubs
09-24-2017 | 04:57 PM
#4230
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From: B6
An AIP/TA by January is insane false hope. This company does NOT need a CBA to plan its future. The "complex" items are agreed to already for the most part and for the remaining expensive items they can just look at our peers and KNOW every single piece of our CBA and "plan" for anything. Not that they do much "planning" around here.
It will almost surely require some brand embarrassment (picketing, media, billboards, etc...) or a transactional event to get them to agree to a CBA prior to their original plan (hell freezing over).
It will almost surely require some brand embarrassment (picketing, media, billboards, etc...) or a transactional event to get them to agree to a CBA prior to their original plan (hell freezing over).
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