Originally Posted by BeatNavy

The metric of math? That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve read in a while. Are you saying 100/3500 is a small percentage? Just because 1/35, or ~3% sounds small, doesn’t mean it’s a low number for this application. Let me pose this question: if 100 out of 3500 people murdered or raped people, is that ok because “it’s a low number?”

100 people are getting a free ride at the expense of their peers. 100 people, many of whom are captains making over $250k, are riding the negotiation/CBA coattails of FOs making $50-$150k because they are too selfish, anti-ALPA, “screwed by ALPA at a previous carrier,” or have other stupid reasons to not pay. It’s one thing to vote no, it’s quite another to not pay dues. ALPA is what we have now. It is what it is. To continue being a nonmember, knowing you have to pay a contract mx fee once a contract is ratified/implemented, is basically taking a huge pay increase at the expense of others to save 1.9% a year for a 3-5 year period. That number should be 0%.

Just because a fraction or percentage is a seemingly small number doesn’t mean our number of nonmembers is low. 100 selfish A holes out there who would likely cross a picket line and who prefer other pilots pay for their gains in pay/QOL. F them. I wish they had the option to stay on an old PEA with no union representation for anything.

Originally Posted by BeatNavy

To continue being a nonmember, knowing you have to pay a contract mx fee once a contract is ratified/implemented, is basically taking a huge pay increase at the expense of others to save 1.9% a year for a 3-5 year period.

Originally Posted by Chicken Taco

Assuming standard ALPA Agency Shop language, they will owe back dues/service fee to the date ALPA came on property (EN time will be excluded). That's going to be a 5 figure check for most of the NM captains to write. ALPA will offer the opportunity for a payment plan, or the opportunity to resign.

Originally Posted by Chicken Taco

Assuming standard ALPA Agency Shop language, they will owe back dues/service fee to the date ALPA came on property (EN time will be excluded). That's going to be a 5 figure check for most of the NM captains to write. ALPA will offer the opportunity for a payment plan, or the opportunity to resign.

Originally Posted by BeatNavy

The metric of math? That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve read in a while. Are you saying 100/3500 is a small percentage? Just because 1/35, or ~3% sounds small, doesn’t mean it’s a low number for this application. Let me pose this question: if 100 out of 3500 people murdered or raped people, is that ok because “it’s a low number?”

100 people are getting a free ride at the expense of their peers. 100 people, many of whom are captains making over $250k, are riding the negotiation/CBA coattails of FOs making $50-$150k because they are too selfish, anti-ALPA, “screwed by ALPA at a previous carrier,” or have other stupid reasons to not pay. It’s one thing to vote no, it’s quite another to not pay dues. ALPA is what we have now. It is what it is. To continue being a nonmember, knowing you have to pay a contract mx fee once a contract is ratified/implemented, is basically taking a huge pay increase at the expense of others to save 1.9% a year for a 3-5 year period. That number should be 0%.

Just because a fraction or percentage is a seemingly small number doesn’t mean our number of nonmembers is low. 100 selfish A holes out there who would likely cross a picket line and who prefer other pilots pay for their gains in pay/QOL. F them. I wish they had the option to stay on an old PEA with no union representation for anything.

Originally Posted by Chicken Taco

99 Total on the list. 14 are EN, so only 85 line pilots.

At least 2 of the EN recently retired but are still listed, so the active total is 97 or less. The seniority list as of now is about 3550 (best guess of 3489 from the last system bid plus 20/mo). That's 2.73% of the total list or about 1 in every 37 pilots.

Originally Posted by BeatNavy

The metric of math? That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve read in a while. Are you saying 100/3500 is a small percentage? Just because 1/35, or ~3% sounds small, doesn’t mean it’s a low number for this application. Let me pose this question: if 100 out of 3500 people murdered or raped people, is that ok because “it’s a low number?”

100 people are getting a free ride at the expense of their peers. 100 people, many of whom are captains making over $250k, are riding the negotiation/CBA coattails of FOs making $50-$150k because they are too selfish, anti-ALPA, “screwed by ALPA at a previous carrier,” or have other stupid reasons to not pay. It’s one thing to vote no, it’s quite another to not pay dues. ALPA is what we have now. It is what it is. To continue being a nonmember, knowing you have to pay a contract mx fee once a contract is ratified/implemented, is basically taking a huge pay increase at the expense of others to save 1.9% a year for a 3-5 year period. That number should be 0%.

Just because a fraction or percentage is a seemingly small number doesn’t mean our number of nonmembers is low. 100 selfish A holes out there who would likely cross a picket line and who prefer other pilots pay for their gains in pay/QOL. F them. I wish they had the option to stay on an old PEA with no union representation for anything.

Originally Posted by slimothy

So “metric of math” is the dumbest thing I’d ever read too, until I read your comparison of NMs to rapists and murderers. I think my stance on NMs has been pretty clear, F em, but that was thoroughly stupid.

Originally Posted by Xbrit

They will owe only from the day the contract is ratified.

Originally Posted by slimothy

There are also at least 2 scabs, and a handful of guys over the age of 60 who are gambling that they will retire before they would ever see a benefit from our CBA. That’s not intended as an excuse, I’m merely pointing it out to say that the NM list will likely continue shrink as those deadbeats retire over the next few years.