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Old 06-17-2020, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by nuball5 View Post
The lack of communication in NYC has been astounding, and the finger can be pointed directly at one person. At least Massachusetts is doing really well lately.
There’s always LGB to carry the company. Oh wait...
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Old 06-17-2020, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by usmc-sgt View Post
So other than that, it’s pretty good?
The email said prepare to make less money. Were you under the assumption that you'd be making more money in 2020-2021?

It's not a question of being good or bad, they're simply pointing out what should be completely obvious to anyone paying attention to the state of the economy and airline business during the past 3 months.
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Old 06-17-2020, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman View Post
The email said prepare to make less money. Were you under the assumption that you'd be making more money in 2020-2021?

It's not a question of being good or bad, they're simply pointing out what should be completely obvious to anyone paying attention to the state of the economy and airline business during the past 3 months.
I mean I could see some senior 190 FO’s for instance get displaced to the Airbus with how bleak the 190’s are looking lately. A few might see a bump just on rates alone.
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Old 06-17-2020, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil Laschio View Post
Perhaps said pilot with a different mental paradigm than you took those 8 words and made a specious but sardonic jab. Perhaps it’s ALPA’s tone that’s doom and gloom. Email seemed overly dramatic. Just a thought. And it was more than 8 words.

philbo! Thanks for the reply mate. However the post that was made was quoted with a summary of 8 words. More than happy to help you go back a few post and count the words.

I didn’t get the email, but based on the 8 words quoted, seems pretty dramatic. Maybe alpa is playing the lowest common denominator and reminding the people who are making 30-50k a month right now thinking life is grand should know that it’s going to end and it’s going to hurt when it does.

Yes maybe you’re right that they took it and left out the other 500 word of the essay that might put context to the whole email. Just saying, non of my business though.


(I stand corrected. You started this convo with some cryptic message “are you prepared too..” that’s only 4 words. Nice work philbo)
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Old 06-17-2020, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by feltf4 View Post
Man alpa so doom and gloom. Wonder what they are doing to preserve everyone’s job? Maybe share some ideas of what is going on instead of telling everyone the boogie man lives under their bed.
this is whats going on.

Section 23

A. Furlough Mitigation In the event the Company anticipates that furloughs will become necessary, the Association will be promptly notified, and no less than seven (7) days prior to sending furlough notices, the Company and the Association will meet and confer for the purpose of discussing ways to mitigate the furlough, including but not limited to the following items:
1. Bid divisors
2. RSV periods
3. Credit caps
4. Part time awards
5. Early retirement incentives

The MEC is under NDA. They can't release certain info until the company decides it's ready unfortunately. Currently they can do what they are doing and give those that are potentially in harms way a broad perspective of what's coming.

If I was in the bottom 20% of any seat (which I am) I'd prepare for change.
Hopefully it's not that bad, but for some it will be and there's no way to save everyone. When we come out on the back side of this in 12-24mo I hope we have made gains in the CBA and the company is in a strong position to grow.
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Old 06-17-2020, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by feltf4 View Post
philbo! Thanks for the reply mate. However the post that was made was quoted with a summary of 8 words. More than happy to help you go back a few post and count the words.

I didn’t get the email, but based on the 8 words quoted, seems pretty dramatic. Maybe alpa is playing the lowest common denominator and reminding the people who are making 30-50k a month right now thinking life is grand should know that it’s going to end and it’s going to hurt when it does.

Yes maybe you’re right that they took it and left out the other 500 word of the essay that might put context to the whole email. Just saying, non of my business though.


(I stand corrected. You started this convo with some cryptic message “are you prepared too..” that’s only 4 words. Nice work philbo)
Sucks when you are junior and have to turn your bot off because you get pushed back to reserve, am I right Felt4?
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Old 06-17-2020, 09:01 AM
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Sucks when you are junior and have to turn your bot off because you get pushed back to reserve, am I right Felt4?
Awww come on mate. We all know bots aren’t real.
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Old 06-17-2020, 09:50 AM
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Any B6 pilot can read the message. After logging into the main Alpa page, under My Alpa tab, My MEC tab, MEC tab then JFK Lec. That’s from a desktop…it’s a bit different from the iphone but u can still get to it.

I thought it was a well-written, fine communication. It’s good to hear from the union and I’m glad he laid out a timeline and said what he said. I know it’s all in the contract but nice to get some verification that you're reading it correctly (or not).

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Old 06-17-2020, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Gordie H View Post
Any B6 pilot can read the message. After logging into the main Alpa page, under My Alpa tab, My MEC tab, MEC tab then JFK Lec. That’s from a desktop…it’s a bit different from the iphone but u can still get to it.

I thought it was a well-written, fine communication. It’s good to hear from the union and I’m glad he laid out a timeline and said what he said. I know it’s all in the contract but nice to get some verification that you're reading it correctly (or not).
Good to know thanks.

Also looks like NYC will start Phase 2 next Monday which is good news....cases continue to be low. Florida is becoming a big concern though.
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Old 06-17-2020, 06:14 PM
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What’s this leaked memo about the “F” word for Octuber 1St. So, it is done?
AO/GO possibly. They will have voluntary leave programs and transfer opportunities. Not sure if that counts as a furlough

https://www.businessinsider.com/leak...irports-2020-6

An internal JetBlue Airways email sent to employees on Tuesday morning briefly outlined plans to outsource workers at smaller airports across the airline's network and hire outside firms to perform their functions instead.

According to the email, viewed by Business Insider and verified by a current JetBlue employee, the low-cost airline plans to implement what it calls a "full Business Partner model" come October. A source within the company, whose employment was confirmed by Business Insider, said the "full Business Partner model" meant laying off JetBlue staff members and using outside contractors for "above and below wing positions" such as gate agents and baggage handlers.

JetBlue airports affected by the cost-cutting measure are likely to be those with low numbers of daily JetBlue flights. Outsourcing the employees at these airports would limit the number of people accessing JetBlue employment benefits such as healthcare and flight benefits, which, as Business Insider's David Slotnick reported, are a major draw for some employees to work for airlines.

In the memo from Mike Parkinson, JetBlue's vice president of airports experience, the company cited the effect of the coronavirus pandemic on the industry when outlining the coming changes. The transition is scheduled to occur October 1, according to the email (a date looming over the aviation industry that is when financial relief from the CARES Act will most likely evaporate).

"Nothing is really a surprise per se in this environment," a JetBlue employee who wished to remain anonymous wrote to Business Insider. "However, I worry how this could erode the company's culture." The employee was also worried that having a third-party service replace in-house employees would see the airline lose the positive reputation for customer experience JetBlue prides itself on.

The employee also told Business Insider the move might encourage more nonunion employees to join the Transport Workers Union or International Association of Machinists and Aerospace. JetBlue flight attendants voted to unionize in August 2018, according to the IAM, and a recent reduction in worker hours has led to increased recruitment efforts, the employee told Business Insider.

Airlines frequently outsource ground-service positions at smaller airports that have less frequent operations, as it can be cheaper than employing staff internally. The source also told Business Insider that up to 300 workers, or "crewmembers" as they're referred to at JetBlue, will most likely be affected.

Affected employees, the email says, will be offered the opportunity to transfer to other positions in the company or take advantage of "voluntary opt out programs." Other major US airlines offering voluntary separation programs have typically offered a temporary extension of pay, healthcare, and flight benefits, among others.

JetBlue's voluntary departure packages, also shared with Business Insider by a JetBlue employee, include three choices: "opt out with perks," "opt out with cash," and "long-term time off." The benefits of each package vary by experience in years at the airline.

Employees with less than 10 years of experience can choose a perks or cash-based opt-out plan. For them, the perks-based plan offers no pay upon departure, 12 months of health insurance, one year of flight benefits for every year served with a maximum of nine years, 20 one-way tickets with a guaranteed seat, and a host of other smaller payouts, such as a $500 certificate to use with JetBlue vacations.

The cash-based plan for the same group includes continued pay, the duration of which depends on your position at the company, with the maximum being three weeks pay a year served for managers and non-managers with seven to nine years of experience. This program also includes six months of health insurance, one year of flight privileges for every year served at JetBlue with a maximum of five years, and four one-way tickets with a guaranteed seat.

Employees with over 10 years of experience can also take their pick between a perks or cash-based plan, but the benefits are greater. The perks-based plan offers $5,000 in pay upon departure, 24 months of health insurance, nine years of flight benefits, and 20 one-way tickets with a guaranteed seat.

If they choose the cash-based option, that includes continued pay for three weeks per years served at a maximum of 33 weeks. This program also includes 12 months of health insurance, seven years of flight privileges, and 10 positive-space one-way tickets.

Workers of a certain age and experience can also receive retiree travel benefits.

Any employee can opt for long-term time off consisting of at least nine months of separation from the airline with no pay, standard flight benefits, four positive-space one-way tickets, and health insurance for the leave's entirety.

The transition at its smaller airports comes as JetBlue is gearing up for an overseas expansion to Europe with service to London from hubs in Boston and New York planned for 2021. This is the first time JetBlue would fly transatlantic routes, and it is ordering special aircraft, Airbus A321XLRs, to do it.

The airline did not respond to Business Insider's request for comment before publication.

Read the full text of the email here:
Dear Crewmembers,

This week we are having a number of conversations with smaller BlueCities where we have made the difficult decision to transition to a full Business Partner model after October 1, 2020. We will be able to share additional details next week after we have the opportunity to talk with impacted Crewmembers. Please know that we are partnering closely with the Airports Values Committee on these changes.

The continued impact of coronavirus on our industry has left us no choice but to look for new ways to run our airline. This decision is in no way a reflection of our Crewmembers' level of work in those cities who live the JetBlue Culture every day and offer the JetBlue experience our Customers love.

Taking care of impacted Crewmembers is our priority. We will make sure they have the support they need to understand the transition and to consider the options we are offering, including priority transfer opportunities to stay at JetBlue, as well as our current voluntary opt out programs.

News like this is never easy to hear, but is a necessary step in protecting the future of our company.

Many thanks for your continued support as we work through these changed.

Mike Parkinson

VP Airports Experience.
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