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Old 07-05-2020, 03:42 PM
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I'll wager my preferential interview at Mr. Softee that it'll be a pay freeze, both annual and equipment, until May 1st.

Why else the specific date of May 1st? That way the company can boast " no rediction in hourly rates". Displaced? Keep the lower rate until May 1st.

Of course back pay will happen with a $100 gift certificate to JB Getaways.
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Old 07-05-2020, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabid Seagull View Post
I'll wager my preferential interview at Mr. Softee that it'll be a pay freeze, both annual and equipment, until May 1st.

Why else the specific date of May 1st? That way the company can boast " no rediction in hourly rates". Displaced? Keep the lower rate until May 1st.

Of course back pay will happen with a $100 gift certificate to JB Getaways.
So we are locked into the May 2020 payrates until May 2021 when we are due for the next pay raise regardless?!
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Old 07-05-2020, 04:10 PM
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So we are locked into the May 2020 payrates until May 2021 when we are due for the next pay raise regardless?!
I should have said your longevity/ years of service raise. If you're maxed out or already had it this year, then good for you.

It's just a WAG, but I'm working on combining vanilla AND chocolate on the same cone.
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Old 07-05-2020, 04:19 PM
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They traded lowering ALV for furlough protection. Flying comes back sooner than planned, ALV snaps back.
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Old 07-05-2020, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabid Seagull View Post
I should have said your longevity/ years of service raise. If you're maxed out or already had it this year, then good for you.

It's just a WAG, but I'm working on combining vanilla AND chocolate on the same cone.
why when itíd be far less controversial to allow the company to lower the ALV Below the 74 hr limit, impose credit caps (letís say sub 90 hrs), then do a massive displacement of excess pilots onto the 190, beyond the # needed for actual staffing the fleet, just to get them on a lower paying rate without even training or qualifying on the plane (similar to what DL is doing).... ready to retrain and plug into the system via a few supplemental bids as needed once things get revved up again. Anyone displaced to 190/FO without classdate a would just be happy cause the alternative would be the furlough, the company wins cause they took a huge chunk out of payroll (Lower payrates at min guarantee while not needing to pay out massive amounts of PTO/VPTO as required by the CBA) all with the ability to spool back up at short notice with many In that category pool requiring reduced requalification costs. Win Win
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Old 07-05-2020, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Desdi View Post
why when itíd be far less controversial to allow the company to lower the ALV Below the 74 hr limit, impose credit caps (letís say sub 90 hrs), then do a massive displacement of excess pilots onto the 190, beyond the # needed for actual staffing the fleet, just to get them on a lower paying rate without even training or qualifying on the plane (similar to what DL is doing).... ready to retrain and plug into the system via a few supplemental bids as needed once things get revved up again. Anyone displaced to 190/FO without classdate a would just be happy cause the alternative would be the furlough, the company wins cause they took a huge chunk out of payroll (Lower payrates at min guarantee while not needing to pay out massive amounts of PTO/VPTO as required by the CBA) all with the ability to spool back up at short notice with many In that category pool requiring reduced requalification costs. Win Win
Without even training or qualifying?

A Pilot who is displaced to a lower paying Status shall receive the pay
for his new Status beginning on the day he completes his required train-
ing (OE/Line Check).
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Old 07-05-2020, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabid Seagull View Post
I should have said your longevity/ years of service raise. If you're maxed out or already had it this year, then good for you.

It's just a WAG, but I'm working on combining vanilla AND chocolate on the same cone.
The Jetblue ALPA policy manual disagrees.

ďthe MEC will seek membership ratification of other proposed agreements or Letters of Agreement which modify contractual pay or that significantly modify work rules.Ē

My pay rate, my guarantee, my 2% COLA bump, and my annual pay scale step increase are all contractual pay items and cannot be unilaterally changed by the MEC without membership vote without violating the jetblue alpa policy manual. They would be opening themselves up to recall and potential lawsuits, not to mention causing a bunch of ****ed off members voting to decertify ALPA and vote in a different union if that happened. The 14 voting members donít have that power, shouldnít have that power, and that is why it is in black and white in their own policy manual that they canít do that.
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Without even training or qualifying?
Hence an LOA, an LOA modifies the CBA and the language you cite. Same as mgt canít reduce the ALV below 74, nor impose credit caps.... all REQUIRE an LOA! If the alternative for a large swell of those potentially displaced to E190 would be a furlough would they really be feeling slighted?! Notice the attention dedicated to displacements on the MEC Chairís video, also realize if they were planning on keeping all the pilots on the list would there really be a need for ant displacements....especially considering as is the 190s will be over staffed for the foreseeable future!

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Old 07-05-2020, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Desdi View Post
Hence an LOA, an LOA modifies the CBA and the language you cite. If the alternative of anyone in that predicament would be a furlough otherwise would they really be feeling slighted?! Notice the attention dedicated to displacements on the MEC Chairís video, also realize if they were planning on keeping all the pilots on the list there would really be no need for a large displacement now would there?
Well, imagine a scenario where the 190 was retired over the next year. That would be 900 displacements (minus the bid outs to vacancies created by new positions). 60 airplanes gone with 25 deliveries between last Jan and end of 2021...thatís about 35 planes worth of pilots we donít need (which is 550ish assuming each plane flew the same block hours as previous staffing required).

It makes no sense to carry a bunch of extra people in a dying fleet...especially if a bunch of $200+/hr 190 CAs would be displaced to 320 FO making less hourly (assuming the next bid is 220/320 FO heavy).

It makes a lot more sense to use the overstaffed time period (the whole next year) to transition everyone over to the 320/220. Artificially keeping a bunch of people on the 190 for a short time to lower pay rates, then creating a massive training need after demand comes back to the fleets that are actually sticking around, doesnít make much sense to me.
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Well, imagine a scenario where the 190 was retired over the next year. That would be 900 displacements (minus the bid outs to vacancies created by new positions). 60 airplanes gone with 25 deliveries between last Jan and end of 2021...thatís about 35 planes worth of pilots we donít need (which is 550ish assuming each plane flew the same block hours as previous staffing required).

It makes no sense to carry a bunch of extra people in a dying fleet...especially if a bunch of $200+/hr 190 CAs would be displaced to 320 FO making less hourly (assuming the next bid is 220/320 FO heavy).

It makes a lot more sense to use the overstaffed time period (the whole next year) to transition everyone over to the 320/220. Artificially keeping a bunch of people on the 190 for a short time to lower pay rates, then creating a massive training need after demand comes back to the fleets that are actually sticking around, doesnít make much sense to me.
As of right now, baring any unforeseen scenarios, it would make much more sense to furlough a few hundred..... Letís see what the LOA says, I suspect it will coincide with the bid on 1 August.
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