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07-05-2020, 09:20 AM
#8811
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I highly doubt the NDA is related to FA negotiations. Does anyone remember any MEC wide NDAs while we were both in negotiations in 2018?
Besides, you'd only need an NDA to keep negotiations secret from the FAs in a world where FAs actually listen to pilots in the first place.
As for the deal itself, I won't speculate, but I'll suggest putting yourself in an LEC member's shoes. What kind of deal would you be willing to be on the hook voting "Yes" for that could have gone to a memrat instead? For me, that's gotta be a pretty easy call because last thing I'd want is to face the threat of a recall over the next 10 months after voting for a total screw job of an LOA that keeps ****ed off pilots around long enough to vote you out.
The Q2 earnings call should be in a couple of weeks, so let's see if we hear anything new between now and then. Personally, I like Flyby's conspiracy. That seems like the best case scenario here.
There's only 20 Jetblue ALPA pilots who know everything right now. At the bare minimum, the rest of us know all 4100 of us have jobs until May of next year because of a deal with MEC approval. The MEC told us that because all of us have some degree of stress related to our futures and they saw an opportunity to to help relieve some of that stress. Let's take a breath, crack a beer, enjoy a slow summer for once, and see where this wild ride takes us, and hopefully we can watch the delta subforum burn down once we get the rest of the details.
Besides, you'd only need an NDA to keep negotiations secret from the FAs in a world where FAs actually listen to pilots in the first place.
As for the deal itself, I won't speculate, but I'll suggest putting yourself in an LEC member's shoes. What kind of deal would you be willing to be on the hook voting "Yes" for that could have gone to a memrat instead? For me, that's gotta be a pretty easy call because last thing I'd want is to face the threat of a recall over the next 10 months after voting for a total screw job of an LOA that keeps ****ed off pilots around long enough to vote you out.
The Q2 earnings call should be in a couple of weeks, so let's see if we hear anything new between now and then. Personally, I like Flyby's conspiracy. That seems like the best case scenario here.
There's only 20 Jetblue ALPA pilots who know everything right now. At the bare minimum, the rest of us know all 4100 of us have jobs until May of next year because of a deal with MEC approval. The MEC told us that because all of us have some degree of stress related to our futures and they saw an opportunity to to help relieve some of that stress. Let's take a breath, crack a beer, enjoy a slow summer for once, and see where this wild ride takes us, and hopefully we can watch the delta subforum burn down once we get the rest of the details.
07-05-2020, 09:49 AM
#8812
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Joined APC: Mar 2019
Posts: 315
Originally Posted by The701Express
I highly doubt the NDA is related to FA negotiations. Does anyone remember any MEC wide NDAs while we were both in negotiations in 2018?
Besides, you'd only need an NDA to keep negotiations secret from the FAs in a world where FAs actually listen to pilots in the first place.
As for the deal itself, I won't speculate, but I'll suggest putting yourself in an LEC member's shoes. What kind of deal would you be willing to be on the hook voting "Yes" for that could have gone to a memrat instead? For me, that's gotta be a pretty easy call because last thing I'd want is to face the threat of a recall over the next 10 months after voting for a total screw job of an LOA that keeps ****ed off pilots around long enough to vote you out.
The Q2 earnings call should be in a couple of weeks, so let's see if we hear anything new between now and then. Personally, I like Flyby's conspiracy. That seems like the best case scenario here.
There's only 20 Jetblue ALPA pilots who know everything right now. At the bare minimum, the rest of us know all 4100 of us have jobs until May of next year because of a deal with MEC approval. The MEC told us that because all of us have some degree of stress related to our futures and they saw an opportunity to to help relieve some of that stress. Let's take a breath, crack a beer, enjoy a slow summer for once, and see where this wild ride takes us, and hopefully we can watch the delta subforum burn down once we get the rest of the details.
Besides, you'd only need an NDA to keep negotiations secret from the FAs in a world where FAs actually listen to pilots in the first place.
As for the deal itself, I won't speculate, but I'll suggest putting yourself in an LEC member's shoes. What kind of deal would you be willing to be on the hook voting "Yes" for that could have gone to a memrat instead? For me, that's gotta be a pretty easy call because last thing I'd want is to face the threat of a recall over the next 10 months after voting for a total screw job of an LOA that keeps ****ed off pilots around long enough to vote you out.
The Q2 earnings call should be in a couple of weeks, so let's see if we hear anything new between now and then. Personally, I like Flyby's conspiracy. That seems like the best case scenario here.
There's only 20 Jetblue ALPA pilots who know everything right now. At the bare minimum, the rest of us know all 4100 of us have jobs until May of next year because of a deal with MEC approval. The MEC told us that because all of us have some degree of stress related to our futures and they saw an opportunity to to help relieve some of that stress. Let's take a breath, crack a beer, enjoy a slow summer for once, and see where this wild ride takes us, and hopefully we can watch the delta subforum burn down once we get the rest of the details.
So 220’s faster? Why would that require a change to the CBA?
07-05-2020, 10:00 AM
#8813
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Originally Posted by localizer
So 220’s faster? Why would that require a change to the CBA?
Also, negotiating a section 23 furlough mitigation LOA doesn't necessarily mean changing other parts of the CBA, it's using it for its designated purpose.
Like I said, none of us here know what's coming our way, so take the good news we got and focus on enjoying life until we know more.
07-05-2020, 10:06 AM
#8814
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Originally Posted by The701Express
Didn't say it's happening, I just said I like his scenario. For a company hell bent on reducing cash burn, that would have to be a pretty sweet deal, hence why I said it's what I consider a best case scenario.
Also, negotiating a section 23 furlough mitigation LOA doesn't necessarily mean changing other parts of the CBA, it's using it for its designated purpose.
Like I said, none of us here know what's coming our way, so take the good news we got and focus on enjoying life until we know more.
Also, negotiating a section 23 furlough mitigation LOA doesn't necessarily mean changing other parts of the CBA, it's using it for its designated purpose.
Like I said, none of us here know what's coming our way, so take the good news we got and focus on enjoying life until we know more.
I think it’s pretty clear something was changed in the CBA in exchange for the no furloughs. Time will tell.
07-05-2020, 12:46 PM
#8818
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
the suspense is killing me I hope it will last
then it’s just disappointing for everyone.
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