Annnual W2/Pay thread for 2020
12-12-2020, 10:35 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
This thread is important because it shows the inequity in pay in the airline pilot profession. An FO at a regional does a similar job to a Captain at a major. Why is there a 10x difference in pay? No other profession has that large a pay differential. If we want a differential for a captain vs. FO, that is fine, but the fact that a WB CA’s makes a ton more than a Regional CA is ridiculous.
This profession would be a much better place if pilots on the high end made less and pilots on the low end made more.
This profession would be a much better place if pilots on the high end made less and pilots on the low end made more.
I agree. The problem becomes you can’t just change it overnight because then all the guys at the top who went years making little never recover. Personally 1 furlough and not cracking six figures till well over 40 years old doesn’t leave a ton of time to make that back up. The bottom guys we’re making substantial gains till covid.
12-12-2020, 10:41 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
This thread is important because it shows the inequity in pay in the airline pilot profession. An FO at a regional does a similar job to a Captain at a major. Why is there a 10x difference in pay? No other profession has that large a pay differential. If we want a differential for a captain vs. FO, that is fine, but the fact that a WB CA’s makes a ton more than a Regional CA is ridiculous.
This profession would be a much better place if pilots on the high end made less and pilots on the low end made more.
This profession would be a much better place if pilots on the high end made less and pilots on the low end made more.
After 4-5 years, they’ll become attending physicians and, depending on their speciality, can earn $500-$600k. Obviously the numbers may be different for airline pilots, but the ratios are somewhat similar.
12-12-2020, 10:56 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by 123494
Resident and attending physicians have similar income disparities. Most come out of med school making ~60k and working 80 hour weeks.
After 4-5 years, they’ll become attending physicians and, depending on their speciality, can earn $500-$600k. Obviously the numbers may be different for airline pilots, but the ratios are somewhat similar.
After 4-5 years, they’ll become attending physicians and, depending on their speciality, can earn $500-$600k. Obviously the numbers may be different for airline pilots, but the ratios are somewhat similar.
You can do everything right in the regionals, and end up stuck there for a decade or more (or even permanently) due to no fault of your own.
If there was a decent shot of never escaping residency, the overwhelming majority of physicians would never even attempt it.
12-12-2020, 11:00 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
I disagree. It shows perspective pilots what it could look like when times are tougher, and how different managerial teams approach labor. This thread has as much or more value this year than ever before. Let the haters hate, I always find value in this thread. For some, it’s great to see what can be achieved, even if it is a bit of a carrot. Like everything, take it for what it’s worth.
It could also be said, for those that are still working and not under say the UA/DL LOA’s what one can make REALISTICALLY.
The few years, between SRM, (insert color of the rainbow here) slip, or whatever verbiage is used at whatever carrier has almost crests artificial/inflated numbers that can almost make the comparisons, well, not comparable.
I heard some friends that were in the beginning of the COVID able to take advantage of trip mods and disruptions and occasionally double dip.
But again, for those that are basically getting min guaranty (or close to it) X hourly rate, this year will represent what one should expect to make in this career REALISTICALLY for the equipment, seat, carrier, and what have you.
NOT the million dollar A350 DAL CA, NOT the 6 figure month SWA CA, not the 500k/yr FO, etc etc etc..
Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
Don’t forget how many houses you own, the length of the boat/RV, seats and horsepower of the new plane, number of exes, and kids in Ivy League schools.
...you know, all the things you tell the other pilot in flight when they pretend they’re listening.
...you know, all the things you tell the other pilot in flight when they pretend they’re listening.
12-12-2020, 11:02 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Well, I guess I will start if off.
FedEx
5-6 year 757 Capt
W2-340k
350 Block Hours Flown
25k into DC plan and pension
10k Per Diem
FedEx
5-6 year 757 Capt
W2-340k
350 Block Hours Flown
25k into DC plan and pension
10k Per Diem
CPZ, permanent furlough April 5th. Even as a CA I probably made less than your DC. Thanks for sharing.
Originally Posted by iahflyr
This thread is important because it shows the inequity in pay in the airline pilot profession. An FO at a regional does a similar job to a Captain at a major. Why is there a 10x difference in pay? No other profession has that large a pay differential. If we want a differential for a captain vs. FO, that is fine, but the fact that a WB CA’s makes a ton more than a Regional CA is ridiculous.
This profession would be a much better place if pilots on the high end made less and pilots on the low end made more.
This profession would be a much better place if pilots on the high end made less and pilots on the low end made more.
As for the pay difference, put in your time, pay your dues and move up. If you don't like it, don't do it. It's the same as everything else I've done, including the military. Start low, work your way up. Would I have liked more $$$ at Compass? Absolutely. But it's all part of the game.
12-12-2020, 11:08 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by LabDad06
CPZ, permanent furlough April 5th. Even as a CA I probably made less than your DC. Thanks for sharing.
I disagree. A regional FO doesn't even do a similar job to a regional CA, let alone a mainline WB CA. Being a CA isn't about flying the plane, an FO can do that. If you're an FO you'll learn the difference when you upgrade. If you're a CA, you should certainly know the difference.
As for the pay difference, put in your time, pay your dues and move up. If you don't like it, don't do it. It's the same as everything else I've done, including the military. Start low, work your way up. Would I have liked more $$$ at Compass? Absolutely. But it's all part of the game.
I disagree. A regional FO doesn't even do a similar job to a regional CA, let alone a mainline WB CA. Being a CA isn't about flying the plane, an FO can do that. If you're an FO you'll learn the difference when you upgrade. If you're a CA, you should certainly know the difference.
As for the pay difference, put in your time, pay your dues and move up. If you don't like it, don't do it. It's the same as everything else I've done, including the military. Start low, work your way up. Would I have liked more $$$ at Compass? Absolutely. But it's all part of the game.
12-12-2020, 11:16 AM
#47
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
This thread is important because it shows the inequity in pay in the airline pilot profession. An FO at a regional does a similar job to a Captain at a major. Why is there a 10x difference in pay? No other profession has that large a pay differential. If we want a differential for a captain vs. FO, that is fine, but the fact that a WB CA’s makes a ton more than a Regional CA is ridiculous.
This profession would be a much better place if pilots on the high end made less and pilots on the low end made more.
This profession would be a much better place if pilots on the high end made less and pilots on the low end made more.
12-12-2020, 12:32 PM
#50
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Originally Posted by DirtyPurple
Yeah, he’s a giant POS. All the FedExers have him blocked. Worthless human being. Suggest you do the same.
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