Annnual W2/Pay thread for 2020
12-12-2020, 12:45 PM
#51
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Originally Posted by LabDad06
CPZ, permanent furlough April 5th. Even as a CA I probably made less than your DC. Thanks for sharing.
I disagree. A regional FO doesn't even do a similar job to a regional CA, let alone a mainline WB CA. Being a CA isn't about flying the plane, an FO can do that. If you're an FO you'll learn the difference when you upgrade. If you're a CA, you should certainly know the difference.
As for the pay difference, put in your time, pay your dues and move up. If you don't like it, don't do it. It's the same as everything else I've done, including the military. Start low, work your way up. Would I have liked more $$$ at Compass? Absolutely. But it's all part of the game.
I disagree. A regional FO doesn't even do a similar job to a regional CA, let alone a mainline WB CA. Being a CA isn't about flying the plane, an FO can do that. If you're an FO you'll learn the difference when you upgrade. If you're a CA, you should certainly know the difference.
As for the pay difference, put in your time, pay your dues and move up. If you don't like it, don't do it. It's the same as everything else I've done, including the military. Start low, work your way up. Would I have liked more $$$ at Compass? Absolutely. But it's all part of the game.
surely he was born in the late 90’s. My first pay check at xjt was 660$........ 275$ went to my crash pad.
wasn’t it like 18 months ago kids we getting 20k sign ons and higher pay rates at the regional... some fo’s making 60k first year hustling.
I will second what you said about fo to captain. 99% of the time it’s the same. 1% of the time it’s not.
12-12-2020, 03:06 PM
#52
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
I disagree. It shows perspective pilots what it could look like when times are tougher, and how different managerial teams approach labor. This thread has as much or more value this year than ever before. Let the haters hate, I always find value in this thread. For some, it’s great to see what can be achieved, even if it is a bit of a carrot. Like everything, take it for what it’s worth.
12-12-2020, 03:36 PM
#53
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Originally Posted by Pilsung
^^^this^^^
But to use this as a benchmark as for when “times get tough” and how different “airlines view labor” is simply a fools errand.
If you think looking at salaries and think “oh ok, when I’m at a major and a pandemic hits, I’ll make $150k still,” wrong.
The example in 2001 was furlough and massive hits to contracts.
The example in 2008 was furlough and contract hits.
Today it’s reduced lines, some furloughs, early outs, lower guarantee. Will a contract be tested, causing others to be tested? Jury is out
So you think, or expect, the next downturn to be like today or 2008? 2001? If so, how does that alter your career path now? Does someone say they will make $250k in 2020 help your career decision when not taken into the proper context?
The history of this industry shows that downturns will always happen and it usually sets contracts and wages back. That’s all you need to know, not that a guy at FedEx like to short stroke his W2 for others. The fact this guy starts a thread with “it’s been a rough year for some....” and then goes and posts his wages 5 posts later, like he couldn’t resist.
I say this with peace and love, peace and love
12-12-2020, 04:24 PM
#55
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Originally Posted by firefighterplt
So when a journalist publishes an expose in the NYT about how airline pilots are clearing over half a million dollars a year while being heavily
propped up by taxpayer dollars, meanwhile the general public is struggling, how likely do you think it’ll be that they’ll support round two?
propped up by taxpayer dollars, meanwhile the general public is struggling, how likely do you think it’ll be that they’ll support round two?
There might be some serious questions about how pilots are paid. Why some make peanuts for the same job with fewer days off on a B scale, and others make a fortune doing far less work.
Who knows. I'll be surprised if it never happens.
12-12-2020, 04:34 PM
#56
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Annnual W2/Pay thread for 2020
Figures you would start this thread, three weeks early, no less
I won’t be participating this year, but I always felt that people should post their actual block hours flown if they are going to post income. For a more fair comparison, it should be income + DC + matching + perdiem / actual block hours flown.
Originally Posted by Al Czervik
People should include block time.
200K at 300 hours is a lot different than
200K at 900
200K at 300 hours is a lot different than
200K at 900
I won’t be participating this year, but I always felt that people should post their actual block hours flown if they are going to post income. For a more fair comparison, it should be income + DC + matching + perdiem / actual block hours flown.
12-12-2020, 04:52 PM
#57
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Sorry to break it to you, I think you’re a CFI and who this thread is “intended” to be for.
But to use this as a benchmark as for when “times get tough” and how different “airlines view labor” is simply a fools errand.
If you think looking at salaries and think “oh ok, when I’m at a major and a pandemic hits, I’ll make $150k still,” wrong.
The example in 2001 was furlough and massive hits to contracts.
The example in 2008 was furlough and contract hits.
Today it’s reduced lines, some furloughs, early outs, lower guarantee. Will a contract be tested, causing others to be tested? Jury is out
So you think, or expect, the next downturn to be like today or 2008? 2001? If so, how does that alter your career path now? Does someone say they will make $250k in 2020 help your career decision when not taken into the proper context?
The history of this industry shows that downturns will always happen and it usually sets contracts and wages back. That’s all you need to know, not that a guy at FedEx like to short stroke his W2 for others. The fact this guy starts a thread with “it’s been a rough year for some....” and then goes and posts his wages 5 posts later, like he couldn’t resist.
I say this with peace and love, peace and love
But to use this as a benchmark as for when “times get tough” and how different “airlines view labor” is simply a fools errand.
If you think looking at salaries and think “oh ok, when I’m at a major and a pandemic hits, I’ll make $150k still,” wrong.
The example in 2001 was furlough and massive hits to contracts.
The example in 2008 was furlough and contract hits.
Today it’s reduced lines, some furloughs, early outs, lower guarantee. Will a contract be tested, causing others to be tested? Jury is out
So you think, or expect, the next downturn to be like today or 2008? 2001? If so, how does that alter your career path now? Does someone say they will make $250k in 2020 help your career decision when not taken into the proper context?
The history of this industry shows that downturns will always happen and it usually sets contracts and wages back. That’s all you need to know, not that a guy at FedEx like to short stroke his W2 for others. The fact this guy starts a thread with “it’s been a rough year for some....” and then goes and posts his wages 5 posts later, like he couldn’t resist.
I say this with peace and love, peace and love
We have had the w2 threads for almost 15 years now on APC. Even in down years. Its funny how some only want to show the good years and not "all year". Its a career not a single year, which is why you need to look at all years if you are coming up in the industry or looking to move from one airline to another. You can de tangle your panties now. Anyone in aviation knows its a roller coaster ride. That's the point of this thread. To show the good and the bad. GROW UP.
Now back to earning for the year.
12-12-2020, 04:54 PM
#58
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
Figures you would start this thread, three weeks early, no less
I won’t be participating this year, but I always felt that people should post their actual block hours flown if they are going to post income. For a more fair comparison, it should be income + DC + matching + perdiem / actual block hours flown.
I won’t be participating this year, but I always felt that people should post their actual block hours flown if they are going to post income. For a more fair comparison, it should be income + DC + matching + perdiem / actual block hours flown.
Also time away from home. Flying one hour sitting for 48 and then flying back may only block 2.0 and pay 15 but how long away from home and family is a matrix I like to see.
12-12-2020, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Furlough badge, I got it. Regional badge, I got it. Legacy Pax badge, I got it. Not trying to have a dong competition, in fact what I make is peanuts compared to many in this industry.
We have had the w2 threads for almost 15 years now on APC. Even in down years. Its funny how some only want to show the good years and not "all year". Its a career not a single year, which is why you need to look at all years if you are coming up in the industry or looking to move from one airline to another. You can de tangle your panties now. Anyone in aviation knows its a roller coaster ride. That's the point of this thread. To show the good and the bad. GROW UP.
Now back to earning for the year.
We have had the w2 threads for almost 15 years now on APC. Even in down years. Its funny how some only want to show the good years and not "all year". Its a career not a single year, which is why you need to look at all years if you are coming up in the industry or looking to move from one airline to another. You can de tangle your panties now. Anyone in aviation knows its a roller coaster ride. That's the point of this thread. To show the good and the bad. GROW UP.
Now back to earning for the year.
12-12-2020, 05:58 PM
#60
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
We have had the w2 threads for almost 15 years now on APC. Even in down years. Its funny how some only want to show the good years and not "all year". Its a career not a single year, which is why you need to look at all years if you are coming up in the industry or looking to move from one airline to another. You can de tangle your panties now. Anyone in aviation knows its a roller coaster ride. That's the point of this thread. To show the good and the bad. GROW UP.
Now back to earning for the year.
Your 2020 numbers........
Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Well, I guess I will start if off.
FedEx
5-6 year 757 Capt
W2-340k
350 Block Hours Flown
25k into DC plan and pension
10k Per Diem
FedEx
5-6 year 757 Capt
W2-340k
350 Block Hours Flown
25k into DC plan and pension
10k Per Diem
Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
year 3-4 (757 Capt)
Live in Base
Bid Reserve when not Instructing
Pick up extra reserve and standby periods sitting at home
Pay - 320k
DC - 22,900k
Pension - 40k
Per diem - Almost none since I barely fly
Total - 383k
Block - 61.2
24 nights away from home
Live in Base
Bid Reserve when not Instructing
Pick up extra reserve and standby periods sitting at home
Pay - 320k
DC - 22,900k
Pension - 40k
Per diem - Almost none since I barely fly
Total - 383k
Block - 61.2
24 nights away from home
Yeah, such a bad year for you this year....what a joke. YOU are not trying to show the good and the bad, you are trying to stroke your own ego here. I suggest you are the one that needs to "grow up," needing this kind of thing to make yourself feel better.
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