What about those who earned it?

You sound like like someone who would advocate taking their wealth by force.

 

That’s the spirit! Well said.

The same has been said about other ethnicities and religious groups, at the time considered “undesirable“ that contributed enormously to building this country. It hasn’t just been POCs and women being held down. In spite of the “rule makers“ efforts to subdue them, the Chinese, the Irish, the Jewish, among others, saw overt prejudice and overwhelming barriers. They refused to let anyone hold them down.

 

I'm going to go watch an old John Wayne western. That will help me feel better about myself.

My apologies to my Native American Brothers and Sisters

 

I now understand why we get to watch diversity videos from HR.

This program is little more than a goal, similar to a goal to buy American made aircraft, you know, unless a better deal rolls around. We hardly ever believe those goals stated from management.

Hiring boards give zero weight to any of the heart burn discussed here.

The key take away should be, to the young women and people of color, is that being a United pilot is a real life possibility. We all benefited, at some point in our life, from someone affirming a dream that you can actually achieve it. This program is a way of providing affirmation to those not lucky enough to to find that person yet. We work in a wonderful industry that has uniform work rules regardless of the name on a pay check.

How we talk about what is possible does change perspectives, especially in young people. Why is blue or black manly? It’s literally just a color.

 

I wish I could live in your world.

Sounds simple and straightforward. How nice for you.

 

If only that were true. My cousin did recruitment for a few years for new engineers for their Fortune 50 company. At every university him and a few other engineers would interview the best that university had. They were only allowed to hire X amount and at the end of the day the HR department would march in 5-10 minority candidates, who didn't fall into the 'best' category, and they were told to hire X amount regardless of qualifications. I hope that doesn't become too prevalent in aviation.

 

I mean, look at those class photos. Nothing but minorities while a white dude can’t even get a chance anymore

 

No use arguing with you. Never had an open mind a day in your life.

To say the scales aren’t tilted on hiring shows a disregard for common sense.

Best of luck in your endeavors.

 

I was an engineering manager for a fortune 500 oil company.

If I interviewed any woman, or a non asian minority male, I would have to write a 3 page letter to HR on "Why Not".. Even when it was as simple as "This job requires a PE (Professional Engineer) license, and she has a degree in art history"

Yes. People who applied for jobs they were, by degree and license (or lack of), not qualified for a LEGAL requirement for the job. I'd have to waste time and resources interviewing. And then waste half an afternoon going back and forth with HR on my "why not" letter.

Don't want to hire a white or asian engineer? No questions asked. I could just say no, didn't like him.

When I got hired at a major, it was very telling that there were zero white males under 30 in my new hire class, but plenty of women and minorities in that age bracket. It's almost like they get called for an interview with less experience or something.

 

I have a pilot friend who’s wife is a HR bigwig with a well known company. She said the recruitment requirements are destroying the the company. They are already seeing the ramifications on quality control and the bottom line.