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GA2Jets , 04-07-2021 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry in TN

Women are more interested in people and relationships; less interested in things.
Men are more interested in things; less interested in people and relationships.

If you give people the freedom of choice, women will disproportionately choose careers and activities that involve dealing with people and forming relationships. Men will disproportionately choose things.

Women are taking over in healthcare. They've always been the vast majority of nurses and techs but now they are the majority in everything including Nurse Practitioners and Doctors.

Women who want to travel see the mostly non-technical flight attendant job as more attractive because it deals with people and relationships. Men are more often attracted to the technical aspects of piloting or being an aviation mechanic.

I generally accept this is true. Except what I don't accept is that the natural ratio is 95/5 for women AND 95/5 for people of color. That ain't natural.

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9mikemike , 04-07-2021 05:31 PM

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United just needs to shame the FAA into certifying more women pilots. Fix the ratio problem at the source and the ratio problem on the line goes away. Easy. Make it a pet project for the vise president

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Stryker172 , 04-07-2021 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GA2Jets

I generally accept this is true. Except what I don't accept is that the natural ratio is 95/5 for women AND 95/5 for people of color. That ain't natural.

What in your opinion is natural?

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OOfff , 04-07-2021 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Desdi

So this begs the question was United up until this change racist and sexist in their hiring practices previously OR were they hiring the best qualified candidate for the position? It’s one or the other!

Instead of concentrating on equality of outcome let’s expand equality of opportunity, cast a wide net on the candidate pipelines, but when it comes to the hiring boards, and in the sim gender and race should not be considered, it should be sink or swim.

could you explain how United’s change here applies to the hiring boards or the sim?

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Desdi , 04-07-2021 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OOfff

could you explain how United’s change here applies to the hiring boards or the sim?

I was making a statement, hopefully it doesn’t, wouldn’t you agree?

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GPLD , 04-07-2021 06:11 PM

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OOfff , 04-07-2021 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Desdi

I was making a statement, hopefully it doesn’t, wouldn’t you agree?

sure seemed like when you said “instead of focusing on equality of outcome,” you were saying that’s what was being done. My apology if it wasnt

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Bluesideup1 , 04-07-2021 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SonicCarhop

Your correction is correct...with the caveat being that statistically speaking there is a larger pool of women/minorities out there that would benefit from reduced barriers to entry simply based on the fact that there are far fewer women/minorities who are pilots currently.

As far as my account, no it's not a burner account. I've long read the forum but am normally smarter than getting into an internet discussion so never bothered creating an account. But this topic struck a nerve for me, and I'm sure once it dies out I'll be back to a silent reader.

How much easier could the barriers be. If you are a Woman or a minority you will get called before any male or white person with the same experience. There is OBAP or the black pilots association that will call the recruiting centers telling them they have new applicants eligible and then they will give them a scholarship to get a type rating if needed. This is true of WIA or Women in Aviation also.

Women and minorities get preferential treatment right now and if the roles were reversed where only whites or men got those same benefits there would be lawsuits and news coverage saying how racists and misogynistic those hiring practices were.

Not to mention all the scholarships and affirmative action for those that need to go to college.

If it was made any easier they would just take the first female minority passenger that walked on the airplane and put her in the cockpit.

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Desdi , 04-07-2021 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OOfff

sure seemed like when you said “instead of focusing on equality of outcome,” you were saying that’s what was being done. My apology if it wasnt

Nope it wasn’t. But no I do not believe most professionals of any race or gender believe in equality of outcome but wholeheartedly embrace equality of opportunity and the focus in our society should be focused at that end. That means the best qualified and experienced individual should get a classdate, race should have nothing to do with that. However for an organization to expend effort to increase their number of minority applicants to further the eventual goal of more representation on the line should be where the focus should be. I doubt many here would object to that. The end goal is the same, more representation in the flight deck.

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Bluetruth , 04-07-2021 07:45 PM

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Are gay white men lumped in with the women and people of color for hiring purposes?