Stryker172

They're gay so that's plus one privilege point. They're also white and male and that's minus two privilege points. I'm afraid they can only be awarded a score of -1 in the victim hierarchy of intersectionality.

symbian simian

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20Fathoms

This is a complicated issue to be sure, but I’ll share an anecdote which you are free to dismiss as it is second hand knowledge, however it happened to a very good friend of mine so it’s not just repeated cockpit banter.

My friend is a lily-white surfer dude from California. He was slaving away in turboprop purgatory dreaming of getting on with a certain legacy. Had his app in for over three years and updated it every month. Good resume and references. Crickets.

Now it happens that my friend’s ancestors came from
Spain and he has an extremely Hispanic sounding name. Let’s call him Diego De La Vega since it’s in the same ballpark. Over Thanksgiving one year an uncle asks how the job search is going. He replies not so good, and jokingly asks if he should check the Hispanic box on the application. The uncle (who’s a lawyer) just stares at him and says “you mean you haven’t checked that dang box? Your name is (expletive deleted) Diego De La Vega and your ancestors came from Castilla y Leon 100 years ago. Check the box tonight!”

My friend replies something to the effect that he’s so fair skinned that he burns on a foggy day in SFO and the only Spanish words he knows are bano and cerveza. Regardless, he takes his uncles advice and checks the Hispanic box. Doesn’t change a single other thing on the app. Not even flight time. This is Thanksgiving so a Thursday. Phone rings Monday morning inviting him to an interview a week from Friday.

Now my friend is an awesome guy and an awesome pilot and I’m stoked he’s here. But we should have hired him sooner and it should have had ZERO to do with which European country his long-dead ancestors lived in.

RckyMtHigh

I’ve got some bad news for you...

Of course the military will tell you it’s not lowering standards, it’s “re-evaluating and validating gender-neutral standards”.

AAL763

Anyone can self-identify as anything they want now and it is a hate crime to question it, correct? Okay, will just check female on all future applications.

JohnnyBekkestad

There is a Swedish movie named "Cockpit" that is actually doing this.
Male pilot gets laid off from an airline, cannot get a job and applies as a woman goes to interview dressed as a woman and gets the jobs... long story short down the line there is an accident where he (she) is being praised for saving everyone. However they do find out she is a he and at the same time that he made a mistake during the accident sequence etc etc

rickair7777

Very different demographic, they are better compared to baristas and waiters than pilots (I give them more credit than that for what they do, but career-wise that's a better analogy). Pilots are in it for the long-haul, FA's don't have to invest years of training/experience building and $100K+ for a job where the payoff is decades down the road. If an FA needs to bail, it doesn't cost her much at all. And she can come back after the kids are gone, I've known plenty of those.

Also... you have to acknowledge that aviation is a technical field, and many women and girls just don't gravitate towards that. I help out with girl scouts and I get roped into doing anything STEM-related activities. The leaders think it's a good idea, but I don't see much passion. I know there's girls out there that really dig it, but fewer and further between. Same with lamenting the lack of women in software... the nerds and the mean girls were oil and water back in HS, why do we expect that as adults the girls will suddenly do a 180?

I'm all for outreach and making opportunities available but at some point there might just be some demographic differences. Nobodies pushing for more female mechanics or HVAC techs... those are also male dominated fields, just not as high-paying or glamorous.

GogglesPisano

74% of NBA players are black.

This is an overrepresentation of a certain identity group in a certain field (a well-paying, high-status field.)

When will the wokesters push for equity here?

detpilot

Absolutely nothing is stopping a straight white male from joining OBAP OR WIA, participating at the level required to attain scholarships, and get the benefits you're describing (albeit exaggerating). This I know from first hand experience. Try again.

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hoover

exact same thing happened to a friend of mine. His grandparents are from Mexico. He is as white as me who's grandparents are from Norway and Sweden. He never thought to check Hispanic because he considers himself American as do I.
he finally checks the box nothing else changes and is now flying boxes around the world in a 747.
Ask what brown can do for you.