Let Experienced Pilots Fly Act (Age 67)
02-19-2024 | 05:29 PM
#3521
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Not so fast RD. Northwest hung onto the classic whale and DC10 much longer than that. But thanks for minimizing our pain. When you’re out on the street, no one is hiring and there is no movement that little 200 number you casually throw out is a mountain and all kinds of heartache.
02-19-2024 | 07:15 PM
#3523
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All these age 67 guys act like they were the only ones who ever have or ever will experience the ups and downs of the airline business. We don’t owe you 2 extra years because your airline had some hardships. We will have our own hardships in the future. Move along, your wasting your golden years hanging on to those widebody captain stripes.
Removing the four year degree requirement proves the pilot shortage.
In the 1990s Bill Clinton reduced the number of Active Duty Army Divisions from 18 to 10 with the other services drawing down as well. This was the Peace Dividend from the fall of the Soviet Union. The predictive analysis then said we would have a pilot shortage now. This has been decades in the making for a dozen reasons. Age 67 or 68 most likely will happen within the next 5 years. I can point to hundreds of RJs in the Arizona desert that were parked during COVID and are still parked to prove my point. I heard them landing every 5 minutes outside of Tucson in 2020 on ABQ Center. Congress in the end will save the airline industry. It is all about public perception… .
The FAA and ICAO were talking age 67 in 2019. It was an idea… . It got lost during COVID… . It takes years for every country to sign off on an ICAO initiative… .
Years ago there was a baseball players strike. A player was interviewed and stated that he was very bitter losing $35,000 a game during the strike. Many people made $35,000 a year during this point in history. That interview tanked the public support for the baseball players… . Age 67 is about the public support and a Congressional WIN…not pilot unions.
If we were to look at the safest course of action we could look to the military. Age 60. Waivers to age 62. So maybe age 65 was a mistake???
My analysis. If you don’t like change you will like irrelevance even less.
02-20-2024 | 03:32 AM
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I think many of you are missing the point. Congress…and the White House love to solve problems. They rarely do but nonetheless they are LEGENDS IN THEIR OWN MINDS… . Some problems do exist. Some problems don’t exist. That doesn’t matter. What DOES matter…is the press conference after whatever action passes. Everyone loves to take credit for saving the country and the world.
Removing the four year degree requirement proves the pilot shortage.
In the 1990s Bill Clinton reduced the number of Active Duty Army Divisions from 18 to 10 with the other services drawing down as well. This was the Peace Dividend from the fall of the Soviet Union. The predictive analysis then said we would have a pilot shortage now. This has been decades in the making for a dozen reasons. Age 67 or 68 most likely will happen within the next 5 years. I can point to hundreds of RJs in the Arizona desert that were parked during COVID and are still parked to prove my point. I heard them landing every 5 minutes outside of Tucson in 2020 on ABQ Center. Congress in the end will save the airline industry. It is all about public perception… .
The FAA and ICAO were talking age 67 in 2019. It was an idea… . It got lost during COVID… . It takes years for every country to sign off on an ICAO initiative… .
Years ago there was a baseball players strike. A player was interviewed and stated that he was very bitter losing $35,000 a game during the strike. Many people made $35,000 a year during this point in history. That interview tanked the public support for the baseball players… . Age 67 is about the public support and a Congressional WIN…not pilot unions.
If we were to look at the safest course of action we could look to the military. Age 60. Waivers to age 62. So maybe age 65 was a mistake???
My analysis. If you don’t like change you will like irrelevance even less.
Removing the four year degree requirement proves the pilot shortage.
In the 1990s Bill Clinton reduced the number of Active Duty Army Divisions from 18 to 10 with the other services drawing down as well. This was the Peace Dividend from the fall of the Soviet Union. The predictive analysis then said we would have a pilot shortage now. This has been decades in the making for a dozen reasons. Age 67 or 68 most likely will happen within the next 5 years. I can point to hundreds of RJs in the Arizona desert that were parked during COVID and are still parked to prove my point. I heard them landing every 5 minutes outside of Tucson in 2020 on ABQ Center. Congress in the end will save the airline industry. It is all about public perception… .
The FAA and ICAO were talking age 67 in 2019. It was an idea… . It got lost during COVID… . It takes years for every country to sign off on an ICAO initiative… .
Years ago there was a baseball players strike. A player was interviewed and stated that he was very bitter losing $35,000 a game during the strike. Many people made $35,000 a year during this point in history. That interview tanked the public support for the baseball players… . Age 67 is about the public support and a Congressional WIN…not pilot unions.
If we were to look at the safest course of action we could look to the military. Age 60. Waivers to age 62. So maybe age 65 was a mistake???
My analysis. If you don’t like change you will like irrelevance even less.
02-20-2024 | 03:33 AM
#3526
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Not so fast RD. Northwest hung onto the classic whale and DC10 much longer than that. But thanks for minimizing our pain. When you’re out on the street, no one is hiring and there is no movement that little 200 number you casually throw out is a mountain and all kinds of heartache.
02-20-2024 | 05:09 AM
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I think many of you are missing the point. Congress…and the White House love to solve problems. They rarely do but nonetheless they are LEGENDS IN THEIR OWN MINDS… . Some problems do exist. Some problems don’t exist. That doesn’t matter. What DOES matter…is the press conference after whatever action passes. Everyone loves to take credit for saving the country and the world.
Removing the four year degree requirement proves the pilot shortage.
In the 1990s Bill Clinton reduced the number of Active Duty Army Divisions from 18 to 10 with the other services drawing down as well. This was the Peace Dividend from the fall of the Soviet Union. The predictive analysis then said we would have a pilot shortage now. This has been decades in the making for a dozen reasons. Age 67 or 68 most likely will happen within the next 5 years. I can point to hundreds of RJs in the Arizona desert that were parked during COVID and are still parked to prove my point. I heard them landing every 5 minutes outside of Tucson in 2020 on ABQ Center. Congress in the end will save the airline industry. It is all about public perception… .
The FAA and ICAO were talking age 67 in 2019. It was an idea… . It got lost during COVID… . It takes years for every country to sign off on an ICAO initiative… .
Years ago there was a baseball players strike. A player was interviewed and stated that he was very bitter losing $35,000 a game during the strike. Many people made $35,000 a year during this point in history. That interview tanked the public support for the baseball players… . Age 67 is about the public support and a Congressional WIN…not pilot unions.
If we were to look at the safest course of action we could look to the military. Age 60. Waivers to age 62. So maybe age 65 was a mistake???
My analysis. If you don’t like change you will like irrelevance even less.
Removing the four year degree requirement proves the pilot shortage.
In the 1990s Bill Clinton reduced the number of Active Duty Army Divisions from 18 to 10 with the other services drawing down as well. This was the Peace Dividend from the fall of the Soviet Union. The predictive analysis then said we would have a pilot shortage now. This has been decades in the making for a dozen reasons. Age 67 or 68 most likely will happen within the next 5 years. I can point to hundreds of RJs in the Arizona desert that were parked during COVID and are still parked to prove my point. I heard them landing every 5 minutes outside of Tucson in 2020 on ABQ Center. Congress in the end will save the airline industry. It is all about public perception… .
The FAA and ICAO were talking age 67 in 2019. It was an idea… . It got lost during COVID… . It takes years for every country to sign off on an ICAO initiative… .
Years ago there was a baseball players strike. A player was interviewed and stated that he was very bitter losing $35,000 a game during the strike. Many people made $35,000 a year during this point in history. That interview tanked the public support for the baseball players… . Age 67 is about the public support and a Congressional WIN…not pilot unions.
If we were to look at the safest course of action we could look to the military. Age 60. Waivers to age 62. So maybe age 65 was a mistake???
My analysis. If you don’t like change you will like irrelevance even less.
His post was mentioning none of that.
The Pro-67 crowd has their own motivations and are trying to convince the junior guys it's a good thing partly because our careers will be sunshine and rainbows and they deserve the extra 2 years because they experienced hardship.
If the Pro-67 crowd actually cared about the RJ's stuck in the desert they would be advocating the law have a carve out for 121 ops with 76 seats or less can go to age 67. Bigger planes stay at Age 65. You pointed out that is where the shortage is. That is where 67 will help out most. No need to stunt the careers for those who do want to move on to the legacies or majors by stopping/slowing hiring to allow the Senior WB guys to fly longer.
My attitude is, let the airlines deal with the problem. It's a problem they created by making this career unattractive for YEARS. Let them deal with the consequences.
02-20-2024 | 05:37 AM
#3529
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If the Pro-67 crowd actually cared about the RJ's stuck in the desert they would be advocating the law have a carve out for 121 ops with 76 seats or less can go to age 67. Bigger planes stay at Age 65. You pointed out that is where the shortage is. That is where 67 will help out most. No need to stunt the careers for those who do want to move on to the legacies or majors by stopping/slowing hiring to allow the Senior WB guys to fly longer.
02-20-2024 | 05:50 AM
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I saw your post quoted without context for who you were talking about, but I was able to immediately figure it out. That admin finds their way into every topic and somehow always seems to have first-hand knowledge of the subject. Sometimes he spouts opinions on a topic I am very familiar with and his analysis always seems to be superficial at best yet presented with a "been there, done that" attitude. In my experience, you can only be an expert worth stating your opinion on a few subjects.
Like watching the 'news' anchor authoritatively speak on topics until they horribly cover something you know about.
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