UA Hiring Minimums?
07-02-2007 | 02:35 PM
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I hope they accept turboprop PIC as well as jet PIC. I have never flown an RJ or anything with glass, but I feel pretty confident I could still learn how. I know a lot of people that have made the transition from BE-1900 to A319. That is about as un-automated to automated as you can get. These individuals had no problems whatsoever.
PS Sorry for all of the misspellings, my g/f is yelling at me, we have dinner reservations got to go bye
07-02-2007 | 03:10 PM
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07-03-2007 | 09:00 AM
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Imagine a 5 year CA earning $105/hr and a 3 year FO earning $70/hr at a regional. I guarantee you, that many more of the regional pilots WILL NOT move to another airline if that was the case.
So, maybe a select few regional airlines, need to think in terms of being a long term "BIG" player in the market vs. always thinking they are a stepping stone.
07-03-2007 | 10:42 PM
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07-03-2007 | 11:10 PM
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Cost isn't the only thing. There is something called execution too.
There will always be someone who is going to be a lower price than you can bid for, especially if that is all they can offer (MESA) for example.
However, MESA is cancelling many flights out of IAD and ORD this summer. I'm sure UAL is NOT saying "oh well, but MESA is a lower cost than perhaps SKYW." I GUARANTEE UAL is not saying that. The low cost MESA provides is actually costing UAL more dollars because MESA cannot execute.
If you have ever been in business for yourself, there comes a point where you have to say "NO" to business because it isn't profitable. Unfortunately, most airline executives don't realize this. The only two regionals that have a clue these days are RJET and SKYW.
There will always be someone who is going to be a lower price than you can bid for, especially if that is all they can offer (MESA) for example.
However, MESA is cancelling many flights out of IAD and ORD this summer. I'm sure UAL is NOT saying "oh well, but MESA is a lower cost than perhaps SKYW." I GUARANTEE UAL is not saying that. The low cost MESA provides is actually costing UAL more dollars because MESA cannot execute.
If you have ever been in business for yourself, there comes a point where you have to say "NO" to business because it isn't profitable. Unfortunately, most airline executives don't realize this. The only two regionals that have a clue these days are RJET and SKYW.
07-04-2007 | 02:01 AM
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What Ellen is trying to say is management must to put on the golden handcuffs. That it would make too expensive to take a pay cut to go to a major airline and leave the life style they have become accustom to.
But this is not the whole enchilada. Some pilots would eat their arms out of the golden handcuffs to fly a 757 to Hawaii or a 747 anywhere. If it were all about money the regional would have an easy fix. But you could only understand this if you were a real pilot whose hands are not in a monkey trap.
But this is not the whole enchilada. Some pilots would eat their arms out of the golden handcuffs to fly a 757 to Hawaii or a 747 anywhere. If it were all about money the regional would have an easy fix. But you could only understand this if you were a real pilot whose hands are not in a monkey trap.
07-04-2007 | 05:47 AM
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Cost isn't the only thing. There is something called execution too.
There will always be someone who is going to be a lower price than you can bid for, especially if that is all they can offer (MESA) for example.
However, MESA is cancelling many flights out of IAD and ORD this summer. I'm sure UAL is NOT saying "oh well, but MESA is a lower cost than perhaps SKYW." I GUARANTEE UAL is not saying that. The low cost MESA provides is actually costing UAL more dollars because MESA cannot execute.
If you have ever been in business for yourself, there comes a point where you have to say "NO" to business because it isn't profitable. Unfortunately, most airline executives don't realize this. The only two regionals that have a clue these days are RJET and SKYW.
There will always be someone who is going to be a lower price than you can bid for, especially if that is all they can offer (MESA) for example.
However, MESA is cancelling many flights out of IAD and ORD this summer. I'm sure UAL is NOT saying "oh well, but MESA is a lower cost than perhaps SKYW." I GUARANTEE UAL is not saying that. The low cost MESA provides is actually costing UAL more dollars because MESA cannot execute.
If you have ever been in business for yourself, there comes a point where you have to say "NO" to business because it isn't profitable. Unfortunately, most airline executives don't realize this. The only two regionals that have a clue these days are RJET and SKYW.
07-04-2007 | 07:02 AM
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This is where the regionals fail, and miss the boat. IF and ONLY IF, regional management treats their OWN airline like a final destination place for pilots, then and only then will they lower their attrition rates, have an easier time hiring, etc . . .
Imagine a 5 year CA earning $105/hr and a 3 year FO earning $70/hr at a regional. I guarantee you, that many more of the regional pilots WILL NOT move to another airline if that was the case.
So, maybe a select few regional airlines, need to think in terms of being a long term "BIG" player in the market vs. always thinking they are a stepping stone.
Imagine a 5 year CA earning $105/hr and a 3 year FO earning $70/hr at a regional. I guarantee you, that many more of the regional pilots WILL NOT move to another airline if that was the case.
So, maybe a select few regional airlines, need to think in terms of being a long term "BIG" player in the market vs. always thinking they are a stepping stone.
07-04-2007 | 08:04 AM
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This is where the regionals fail, and miss the boat. IF and ONLY IF, regional management treats their OWN airline like a final destination place for pilots, then and only then will they lower their attrition rates, have an easier time hiring, etc . . .
Imagine a 5 year CA earning $105/hr and a 3 year FO earning $70/hr at a regional. I guarantee you, that many more of the regional pilots WILL NOT move to another airline if that was the case.
So, maybe a select few regional airlines, need to think in terms of being a long term "BIG" player in the market vs. always thinking they are a stepping stone.
Imagine a 5 year CA earning $105/hr and a 3 year FO earning $70/hr at a regional. I guarantee you, that many more of the regional pilots WILL NOT move to another airline if that was the case.
So, maybe a select few regional airlines, need to think in terms of being a long term "BIG" player in the market vs. always thinking they are a stepping stone.
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