The pilot shortage is over:
04-19-2024, 04:24 PM
#371
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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
Learn Earn Teach
Go be a CFI
They aren’t lobbying against the MAJORITY of their dues paying members. Feel free to turn in your card at any time and pay the maintenance fee for the incredible contract you work under. You had your time and when you signed up it was 60 and you knew that then, yet you continued.
Anyone that has sat on enough Jumpseats watching the 60+ knows that experience matters up to a point. The ability to use short term recall and multitask is highly degraded. If it was about aviation safety you’d take that wealth of knowledge and teach someone in a piston single where only the two of you are at risk, not my family in the back of a jet.
The day we take a family member’s keys is a tough day but we know it has to be done. Driving is not a right it’s a privilege. Flying a jet with people in the back is not a right either, it’s a privilege. You have a he right to work doing something else.
Go be a CFI
They aren’t lobbying against the MAJORITY of their dues paying members. Feel free to turn in your card at any time and pay the maintenance fee for the incredible contract you work under. You had your time and when you signed up it was 60 and you knew that then, yet you continued.
Anyone that has sat on enough Jumpseats watching the 60+ knows that experience matters up to a point. The ability to use short term recall and multitask is highly degraded. If it was about aviation safety you’d take that wealth of knowledge and teach someone in a piston single where only the two of you are at risk, not my family in the back of a jet.
The day we take a family member’s keys is a tough day but we know it has to be done. Driving is not a right it’s a privilege. Flying a jet with people in the back is not a right either, it’s a privilege. You have a he right to work doing something else.
04-19-2024, 06:05 PM
#372
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Joined APC: Dec 2023
Posts: 326
Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
Learn Earn Teach
Go be a CFI
They aren’t lobbying against the MAJORITY of their dues paying members. Feel free to turn in your card at any time and pay the maintenance fee for the incredible contract you work under. You had your time and when you signed up it was 60 and you knew that then, yet you continued.
Anyone that has sat on enough Jumpseats watching the 60+ knows that experience matters up to a point. The ability to use short term recall and multitask is highly degraded. If it was about aviation safety you’d take that wealth of knowledge and teach someone in a piston single where only the two of you are at risk, not my family in the back of a jet.
The day we take a family member’s keys is a tough day but we know it has to be done. Driving is not a right it’s a privilege. Flying a jet with people in the back is not a right either, it’s a privilege. You have a he right to work doing something else.
Go be a CFI
They aren’t lobbying against the MAJORITY of their dues paying members. Feel free to turn in your card at any time and pay the maintenance fee for the incredible contract you work under. You had your time and when you signed up it was 60 and you knew that then, yet you continued.
Anyone that has sat on enough Jumpseats watching the 60+ knows that experience matters up to a point. The ability to use short term recall and multitask is highly degraded. If it was about aviation safety you’d take that wealth of knowledge and teach someone in a piston single where only the two of you are at risk, not my family in the back of a jet.
The day we take a family member’s keys is a tough day but we know it has to be done. Driving is not a right it’s a privilege. Flying a jet with people in the back is not a right either, it’s a privilege. You have a he right to work doing something else.
Statement of Capt. Duane E. Woerth: The FAA Age 60 Rule (alpa.org) ALPA polled their membership and this was their intial response, but later went on and supported the age change to 65! Having it both ways?
04-19-2024, 07:44 PM
#373
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Posts: 47
Originally Posted by 5tools
Yeah, it was 60 and the unions went against their memebership then as well and supported it to go to 65. Go look it up. One union in particualar their President spent union money and testified before congress in favor of changing it, claiming age was just a number, and the membership majority was against it then, but that did not stop them. Also ALPA was for age 65 as well. So you can't have it both ways. Show me a accident report where by age caused a accident in 121 operations or even 135 opertations. I'll wait.
Statement of Capt. Duane E. Woerth: The FAA Age 60 Rule (alpa.org) ALPA polled their membership and this was their intial response, but later went on and supported the age change to 65! Having it both ways?
Statement of Capt. Duane E. Woerth: The FAA Age 60 Rule (alpa.org) ALPA polled their membership and this was their intial response, but later went on and supported the age change to 65! Having it both ways?
04-20-2024, 12:39 AM
#374
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Posts: 1,561
Originally Posted by 5tools
Yeah, it was 60 and the unions went against their memebership then as well and supported it to go to 65. Go look it up. One union in particualar their President spent union money and testified before congress in favor of changing it, claiming age was just a number, and the membership majority was against it then, but that did not stop them. Also ALPA was for age 65 as well. So you can't have it both ways. Show me a accident report where by age caused a accident in 121 operations or even 135 opertations. I'll wait.
Statement of Capt. Duane E. Woerth: The FAA Age 60 Rule (alpa.org) ALPA polled their membership and this was their intial response, but later went on and supported the age change to 65! Having it both ways?
Statement of Capt. Duane E. Woerth: The FAA Age 60 Rule (alpa.org) ALPA polled their membership and this was their intial response, but later went on and supported the age change to 65! Having it both ways?
age 67 is dead !!!! for now , because I think ICAO is the driver on the issue and not the FAA .
make sure you don't have a heart attack because you would not be able to get a job with a 135 operator when your time comes
move on
04-20-2024, 01:05 AM
#375
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Posts: 845
Originally Posted by 5tools
Dont think I will. Let Experienced Pilot Fly!
Redefining old age - CBS News
This IS about the right to work. This IS about aviation safety. This IS about fighting unions' when they lobby against their own dues paying members. This IS about fighting disinformation. And this IS about our concerns about the loss of experience on the flight decks.
Redefining old age - CBS News
This IS about the right to work. This IS about aviation safety. This IS about fighting unions' when they lobby against their own dues paying members. This IS about fighting disinformation. And this IS about our concerns about the loss of experience on the flight decks.
“Right to work” is the scab credo.
04-20-2024, 01:33 AM
#376
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
“Right to work” is the scab credo.
I am 19 I want to work for a regional and I have 1500 hours and a GED
why I can go and get killed in IRAN but I can't fly
EEOC
where are you for me
Those 67 admirers stools alike have no answer because it's all about them and their pay
04-20-2024, 03:24 AM
#377
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Posts: 822
Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
“Right to work” is the scab credo.
Don't get me wrong, I understand why some of these pilots would like it to change, but the ones using rhetoric that sound "scabbish" act like the age was moved from 67 down to 65 suddenly and that they lost something. It did not. They are no more entitled or hurt than the pilot that retired at 65 2.1 years ago.
04-20-2024, 07:13 AM
#378
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Originally Posted by DogPit
Absolutely no one cares what you think.
04-20-2024, 07:15 AM
#380
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Originally Posted by 5tools
Well is obvious ALPA does not care what you think either!! They went against their membership for age 65 and will probably do it again with age 67, when they realize there lots money in for them.
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