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03-27-2024 | 08:39 AM

#271

Nick Bradshaw

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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer

I'm not anti-union, I am anti-forced unionism. I should get a choice in whether I join or not. Given the choice, I probably would because there are a lot of advantages, but it shouldn't be compulsory.

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LOL you just failed critical thinking. Why are you scared of competition and voluntary interaction? Why are you anti-choice? hmmm if it's such a good idea then why does it need to be mandatory?

False. It's quite possible to have employees with different work rules and different pay structures. Computers make it quite easy to do. Why are you scared of giving people a choice?

Because it's not a fact, it's an opinion, which is a false one.

And see, the union group-think thugish mentality, which is vividly on display here, is what makes unions so repulsive, besides the fact that they are all pro-Democrat organizations. I actually like the idea of a union because there are some benefits, but the BS that is getting shoveled in this thread is why I would consider NOT joining one if given the choice.

Cool story. Everyone here has heard your broken record opinions on unionism and politics ad-nauseum. None of us care what you think.

I'll never understand why the mods here allow you to constantly troll politics on this site, and treat it like your personal political blog, but censure everyone else for such.

Now answer the question you've ducked several times. WHAT KIND OF JET DO YOU CURRENTLY FLY?

03-27-2024 | 08:44 AM

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METO Guido

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There's GAMA and all the protections already in place for aircraft and component manufacturers. Blaming "attornies" [SIC] for everything is so 1990's... and false.

A 300 hp continental pulling 4 seat plastic cabins on fixed gear under a parachute fairing should clear cost at half the present sticker price. Sure do miss the 90’s

GAMA:
Congress has a simple choice this year – pass legislation to further aviation manufacturing and jobs by removing unneeded barriers to aircraft certification, or weaken our nation’s aviation leadership by failing to act. Currently, the FAA is locked into regulatory processes that too often discourage innovation and the fielding of new safety-enhancing technologies, frustrating large and small businesses and their customers.

03-27-2024 | 11:20 AM

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SonicFlyer

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Nowhere did I say the logistics of having two pilots paid differently was the issue. The problem is that you’re creating a race to the bottom that undermines the pay, quality of life, and safety that unionism brings.

Once again, false. This is simply union talking points which have proven not to be true.

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weirdly, non-union carriers also paid that, and often less.

So what was the financial advantage of joining a union if they are going to take money but essentially negtiotate similar rates as non-union carriers? Is SkyWest paying signifigantly different than other carriers these days?

03-27-2024 | 11:21 AM

#274

SonicFlyer

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Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw

WHAT KIND OF JET DO YOU CURRENTLY FLY?

One that spins and goes fast. Why do you care what I fly? What do you fly?

03-27-2024 | 11:55 AM

#275

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Once again, false. This is simply union talking points which have proven not to be true.

I take it you know nothing of union history. That’s okay, but you should learn a little about an issue you’re so passionate about

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Skywest pays what it does because of unionism in the industry. Not in spite of it.

but I’m glad you have the choice to go there.

03-27-2024 | 12:38 PM

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I take it you know nothing of union history. That’s okay, but you should learn a little about an issue you’re so passionate about

Skywest pays what it does because of unionism in the industry. Not in spite of it.

but I’m glad you have the choice to go there.

First week of indoc at Skywest the pilot rep or mec equivalent chair comes in and explains if you go off a runway exceeding a wind limitation by one kt your going to jail. Didn’t exactly instill confidence in certificate protection. It doesn’t really matter what contract you’re working under if you don’t have a certificate or are in jail. No thanks.

03-27-2024 | 01:09 PM

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You can work for a union arrier and not become a member.
You will have to pay a fee due to the union negotiatig the contract.
Of course if you are not in the union and have an incident or accident you're on your own.

03-27-2024 | 01:22 PM

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SonicFlyer

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You can work for a union arrier and not become a member.
You will have to pay a fee due to the union negotiatig the contract.

That's called coercion and is immoral and unethical.

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Of course if you are not in the union and have an incident or accident you're on your own.

Exactly the biggest reason to join a union.

03-27-2024 | 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rama

You can work for a union arrier and not become a member.
You will have to pay a fee due to the union negotiatig the contract.

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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer

That's called coercion and is immoral and unethical.

No, it is paying one's fair share for the benefits of the contract negotiated by the bargaining agent elected by the majority of the pilot group. Same as taxs which you also find problematic. You advocate for freeloading.

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Skywest pays what it does because of unionism in the industry. Not in spite of it.

Exactly. Same reason why non-union Delta employees and autoworkers get pay raises as their union counterparts set the going rate.

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The Constitution hasn't been adhered to since at least the 1860s

I'm trying to think, what constitution crisis happened again in the 1860s?

03-27-2024 | 02:22 PM

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Exactly right. Certificate protection is equally as important as contract negotiations/enforcement in my mind. It doesn’t matter if you have the best contract on the planet if you don’t have a license. I know AOPA provides this service outside of unions however I can’t imagine it’s better than in-house or national union council?