How much should a pilot be paid? Pt. II
01-03-2006, 06:22 PM
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ChirsH, your thoughts hit the nail on the head; well put. I totally agree that if someone goes into a career just for the money aspect, they will be miserable. I thought your whole post was right on.
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01-03-2006, 06:54 PM
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ChrisH
Very nice post.
Anyone who goes into a career thinking they deserve more money no matter how excessive the pay may be over other important jobs and want even more time off when they already work less than half the amount of time that others work, will never be happy. Period. They always find a reason to make their scenario more important than anyone else's. I found a job I'm happy at, if they pay me less, I'm still happy because its in aviation. Many here have confused the love of aviation for the love of money, and its easy to see who they are. Best of luck in finding that "right" job for you that makes you happy.
Anyone who goes into a career thinking they deserve more money no matter how excessive the pay may be over other important jobs and want even more time off when they already work less than half the amount of time that others work, will never be happy. Period. They always find a reason to make their scenario more important than anyone else's. I found a job I'm happy at, if they pay me less, I'm still happy because its in aviation. Many here have confused the love of aviation for the love of money, and its easy to see who they are. Best of luck in finding that "right" job for you that makes you happy.
01-05-2006, 04:20 AM
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Big Pay
In my opininion this latest "I love to fly" generation is a big reason why the pay and working conditions have slipped and continue to do so. People are here due to the "love of flying". Therefore, they are willing to take any job at almost any level of pay and feel guilty if they expect anymore. It is a growing cult of martyrdom that is permeating the ranks. It almost seems like our profession has been overtaken by a bunch of bleeding heart artists. We all love aviation, but I feel that expectations need to remain high or else all is lost. Like I said before our skills are noting special anymore. Any farm kid with parents stupid enough to co-sign the loan can become an airline pilot in 14 months. The only thing that we have left is stubborn arrogant expectations.
SkyHigh
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01-05-2006, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
In my opininion this latest "I love to fly" generation is a big reason why the pay and working conditions have slipped and continue to do so. People are here due to the "love of flying". Therefore, they are willing to take any job at almost any level of pay and feel guilty if they expect anymore. It is a growing cult of martyrdom that is permeating the ranks. It almost seems like our profession has been overtaken by a bunch of bleeding heart artists. We all love aviation, but I feel that expectations need to remain high or else all is lost. Like I said before our skills are noting special anymore. Any farm kid with parents stupid enough to co-sign the loan can become an airline pilot in 14 months. The only thing that we have left is stubborn arrogant expectations.
SkyHigh
SkyHigh
You read like, "airline pilots are over paid.....yada, yada, yada", than you produce this post. I can't figure if your a prophet or a syco.
01-05-2006, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dckozak
SkyHigh, are you bi-polar??
You read like, "airline pilots are over paid.....yada, yada, yada", than you produce this post. I can't figure if your a prophet or a syco.
You read like, "airline pilots are over paid.....yada, yada, yada", than you produce this post. I can't figure if your a prophet or a syco.
Sorry if my theme isn't linear enough. Pilots are overpaid for the skills set. Training and experience is easy to come by these days. It seems like everybody is a pilot or wants to be one. In addition, this latest generation is willing to sell out just for the privilege of being able to fly a plane. We are all suppose to be here just for "the love of aviation". Anyone who suggests otherwise is considered blasfamous and shouldn't be there. Therefore in order to keep the pay and benefits somehow we need to keep the expectations high. If a new hire shows up for his first day in class and only hopes to earn enough to cover some of his living expenses as compensation then we are lost. In ten years pilots could become like humble monks with their heads down as they silently move through the terminal cautious not to appear confident and arrogant so as not to upset the aviation God. On days off they would sit in their two bedroom apartment, that they share with 6 other pilot monks, and study the FOM and Aircraft manual all day eager to put the uniform on again.
Oh wait, the regionals already are like that.
SkyHigh
01-05-2006, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
dckozak,
Sorry if my theme isn't linear enough. Pilots are overpaid for the skills set. Training and experience is easy to come by these days. It seems like everybody is a pilot or wants to be one. In addition, this latest generation is willing to sell out just for the privilege of being able to fly a plane. We are all suppose to be here just for "the love of aviation". Anyone who suggests otherwise is considered blasfamous and shouldn't be there. Therefore in order to keep the pay and benefits somehow we need to keep the expectations high. If a new hire shows up for his first day in class and only hopes to earn enough to cover some of his living expenses as compensation then we are lost. In ten years pilots could become like humble monks with their heads down as they silently move through the terminal cautious not to appear confident and arrogant so as not to upset the aviation God. On days off they would sit in their two bedroom apartment, that they share with 6 other pilot monks, and study the FOM and Aircraft manual all day eager to put the uniform on again.
Oh wait, the regionals already are like that.
SkyHigh
Sorry if my theme isn't linear enough. Pilots are overpaid for the skills set. Training and experience is easy to come by these days. It seems like everybody is a pilot or wants to be one. In addition, this latest generation is willing to sell out just for the privilege of being able to fly a plane. We are all suppose to be here just for "the love of aviation". Anyone who suggests otherwise is considered blasfamous and shouldn't be there. Therefore in order to keep the pay and benefits somehow we need to keep the expectations high. If a new hire shows up for his first day in class and only hopes to earn enough to cover some of his living expenses as compensation then we are lost. In ten years pilots could become like humble monks with their heads down as they silently move through the terminal cautious not to appear confident and arrogant so as not to upset the aviation God. On days off they would sit in their two bedroom apartment, that they share with 6 other pilot monks, and study the FOM and Aircraft manual all day eager to put the uniform on again.
Oh wait, the regionals already are like that.
SkyHigh
New/regional pilots have been left out to dry. They get whip sawed against each other, whole company's get kicked to the curb and you hardly hear a word about it and no one seems to care. It's take a pay cut or we will lose our flying. Even the other regionals don't seem to make a big stink about it. They just say "sucks to be them" if it isn't happening to you.
It will be interesting to see what happens with "newco" and northwest.
This downward spiral won't stop until ALL pilots get together and act as one group.
01-06-2006, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
It will be interesting to see what happens with "newco" and northwest.
This downward spiral won't stop until ALL pilots get together and act as one group.
This downward spiral won't stop until ALL pilots get together and act as one group.
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