CAL F/O Removed from flight

Reply Subscribe

Page 3 of 12

Last »

Thread Tools

Search this Thread

05-28-2009, 04:23 PM

#21

Cycle Pilot

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Mar 2008

Position: DAL Pilot

Posts: 1,133

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB

Seriously? I commend her integrity...and would do the same any day of the week.

Just because it is, doesn't mean it's right.

I'm all for integrity, but come on. It's a dang wristband. There are many other ways to make yourself heard and show your support for a new contract. I'm just saying, "Pick your battles." At Delta, it specifically says in the FOM that the Captain is responsible for making sure the flight deck crew is in compliance with the uniform standards. If the Captain determines you aren't in compliance, then make him/her happy by taking the wristband off and then take it up with Pro Standards AFTER the trip. Now the F.O. is out of the pay and probably has something in her file for insubordination. All for a wristband.

05-28-2009, 04:44 PM

#22

rickair7777

Prime Minister/Moderator

Joined APC: Jan 2006

Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim

Posts: 39,293

Quote:

Originally Posted by USMCFLYR

Already have my sign but I was more of speaking about the little things - like anything bringing discredit to the service. Something of that nature might cross the line in that situation. You can be wearing the uniform and wearing a PEACE SIGN (or a PLEDGE PIN!

) Examples from the movies!

Absolutely - two sides and many details missing. Sounds harsh though - being removed from the flight and without pay if all of that is correct.

USMCFLYR

There is also the issue of federal law protecting union activities and speech. There may be some contention as to whether "FUPM" is protected speech.

05-28-2009, 05:15 PM

#23

forgot to bid

veut gagner à la loterie

Joined APC: Apr 2008

Position: Light Chop

Posts: 23,286

Question for Continental guys. Some of us non-CAL pilots and some have asked how in the heck is Captain BM on the union and do this.

I heard a lot of CAL pilots complain that in IAH a lot of the scabs had become active and vocal part of the union, I guess for self preservation. Was that really true? If so, it might speak to why you have a situation like a Captain BM (not saying he is a scab) on the union and pull this kind of stunt.

Last edited by forgot to bid; 05-28-2009 at 06:45 PM.

05-28-2009, 05:48 PM

#24

Eric Stratton

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Nov 2005

Posts: 2,002

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Co2Fur1EXwife

I personally can't stand those little rubber wristbands (especially the yellow I-support-a-steroid-abuser-cyclist) but, yeah little rough to be removed from flight.

When was he ever caught? Even if he did use them he still crushed the competition and the heavy weights have all been busted for using since then.

Back on topic does this guy remove FO's who have the mircle lure sticker?

This guy wouldn't happen to be a scab would he?

05-28-2009, 05:51 PM

#25

Blockoutblockin

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Feb 2009

Position: 73 CA EWR

Posts: 514

Lol

I know you guys know the answer to your questions.

05-28-2009, 06:10 PM

#26

Boomer

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Jan 2008

Position: blueJet

Posts: 4,512

I don't see anything in the list allowing/not allowing wristbands... or wedding bands.

What if Captain toolbag demanded that she removed her wedding ring or be removed from the trip?

Would you
A) support her integrity/convictions/beliefs, or
B) recommend "just take it off for the rest of the trip and call pro stands later"?

05-28-2009, 06:18 PM

#27

sydney5316

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Feb 2007

Position: B737 Captain

Posts: 102

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boomer

I would "just take it off for the rest of the trip and call pro standards later" and make that SOB miserable for the next few days along with documenting every non standard thing he/she does. Then I'd give him/her a few nonstandard wake up calls along with a few other things. I promise you this. I wouldn't get even; I'd get ahead.

05-28-2009, 06:28 PM

#28

tpersuit

Banned

Joined APC: May 2007

Posts: 698

You should never have to take your wedding band off because the Captain doesn't like it.

05-28-2009, 06:31 PM

#29

Cycle Pilot

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Mar 2008

Position: DAL Pilot

Posts: 1,133

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boomer

I would pull out the section of the Delta FOM where it specifically states what jewelry can be worn with the uniform, and wedding jewelry is written directly in there. In that case, I would be the one calling the chief pilot, because the Captain is in blatant violation of the FOM and uniform standards. A rubber bracelet with FUPM on it is not addressed in the FOM and is open to some interpretation. I agree that the Captain overreacted, but come on... pick your battles.

05-28-2009, 06:43 PM

#30

USMCFLYR

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Mar 2008

Position: FAA 'Flight Check'

Posts: 13,837

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin

"In the military we have rules that dictate what we can and can not wear - even on liberty in some cases - as certainly when at work!"

I really hope I didn't suffer from such lack of perspective some 20 years ago.

Not sure I understand your comment about lack of perspective....could you please explain. You can do so via PM if you wish. On this issue I actually have no perspective which is why I'm reading and asking questions about the situation. I'd be glad to take any constructive insight that you might provide Block.
My question seems quite straight forward. I was asking if CAL's uniform policy had anything stating appropriate wear of jewlery or such other items or if the CA could put his finger on a particular rule that was being broken.
I think you have an issue with me over our PM and you are looking to throw daggers; but since I am agreeing that the CA seems to have overreacted - your daggers are falling short.

USMCFLYR