acl65pilot

Some are at risk like the new TSH and XJ deals, some are not but they have resets in them either way.

DAL will not be paying for flying they cannot perform.

Does the fact that DAL is paying of debt very very quickly now make more sense to a lot of ppl?

Bucking Bar

Heck we got a resolution passed to do just that and still .... crickets.

The problem is the math would invalidate the outsourcing model that drives a lot of ALPA's politics.

We should have re run the numbers at every concessionary contract and every management restructuring of the company. We should consider this sort of economic analysis "runway change items" and re run them every time we are launched in a new direction.

Bucking Bar

I thought it was because someone bought Richard Anderson a Dave Ramsey CD collection last Christmas.

Delta is on Baby Step 2 » Dave Ramsey’s 7 Baby Steps: Step 2 – Pay Off All Debt Using The Debt Snowball

acl65pilot

Bar;
As we can probably assume they have been run.

It is not just about the cost of the operation but what it is being sold to us for. I know we disagree on this, but history is speckled with purchase that were made way above marker value because one party wanted to buy more than one wanted to sell.

slowplay

You and I have been round and round on this before.

Your assertion that "the math would invalidate the outsourcing model" is flat wrong. Wishing something to be true doesn't make it so.

Bucking Bar

Our Reps and MEC Communications are official sources. They say it has not been done.

The reason we go round and round is because I assume "no action" means "no action." As always, I encourage you to shut me up with objective data.

I am told:

• ALPA has not requested, does not have, and has not evaluated the contracts for outsourced flying

True, or False?

DAL 88 Driver

I guess it's possible that "the math" per se may not invalidate the outsourcing model. But does the math include lost customers due to the bad experience they had with what they thought was a Delta flight? And don't forget to include in "the math" the number of customers that avoid booking Delta because of the customers that told them of their bad experience. This is the sort of thing that is hard to quantify, yet can have a profound effect on the success of a company. For anyone who is really familiar with (and thinking objectively about) the differences between our mainline product and our DCI product, our current outsourcing model should be invalidated.

Slow, your mindset appears to be consistent with the mindset of our management. In other words, our management seems to look at everything from a pure "numbers" standpoint. Business is not that simple. The numbers do not always tell the whole story. There are more things to consider.

Mesabah

I've heard the argument that regional pilots by accepting a job at their respective companies are hurting the profession. However, I don't know if that is a valid argument to make in light of what has happened in this industry. I mean, you can take this argument right to the mainline. I've seen the compensation packages of pilots at the mainline and I can tell you there is a huge discrepancy between pilots who have a frozen pension fund and those that don't. Since the company is paying into the pension fund this is part of the total compensation of the more senior pilot. Is the junior mainline pilot, by accepting a job at mainline with significantly lowered benefits in comparison to the more senior pilot, also hurting the profession?

Rogue24

If you really want to be truthful, you could say that those pilots that were willing to Fly at Delta Express for less pay than that of mainline proved what wages the mainline pilots were willing to accept. Alas, we are about that that level.

beer

No!!!!!!!!!