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01-05-2012 | 02:29 PM

#7201

scambo1

The Brown Dot +1

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From: 777B

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Originally Posted by shiznit

Volunteers never get monthly average pay hours +5 (92 last year).
Not all volunteers get monthly average pay hours (87 last year).
Committee chairs and volunteers don't get "highest position they can hold"(except NC?).
Only a few specified officers get avg.+5, and it doesn't even come out of dues or MEC budget.
NOBODY gets "loosely accounted for" expenses. Everything must be documented and accounted for in a computerized database that at least 2 people in different offices have to approve to be paid.

*Personal experience(so not quite an admissible fact): KR was extremely vigilant and expected full documentation/details on an expense report. The guy was VERY protective of the DAL pilots' dollar(notice the massive surplus in our monthly budgets). I hope BF will do as good a job going forward.

Your answer doesnt adress what he bolded. It addresses what was not bolded.

01-05-2012 | 02:50 PM

#7202

bigbusdriver

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

I don't hate ALPA at all. I've been a member for 33 years, and proud of it for 20 or so.

Carl

"But For" more than forty years DALPA has had contractual FPL. That covers a period of time when dues were lower and dues were higher than they are now and beats you by seven years. It has covered down contracts and up contracts and everything betwixt and between. Yet when an alternative group appears in early 2009* just as the ink has dried from the merger approval on Halloween 2008 and a mere month after the combined operating certificate on New Years Eve 2008, it suddenly becomes an issue?

Coincidence?

*DAL In-House Union Delta Pilots Association

01-05-2012 | 02:52 PM

#7203

tsquare

No longer cares

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From: 767er Captain

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

It's a little thing called "discipline." When you see the thread you don't want to see, simply avoid clicking on it and you're good to go!

Yeah I know... but it is easier said than done in this case.. Like not looking at a train wreck ya know..

01-05-2012 | 03:03 PM

#7204

DAL 88 Driver

At home on the maddog!

Joined: Mar 2009

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From: Retired (mandatory age 65)

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsquare

Yeah I know... but it is easier said than done in this case.. Like not looking at a train wreck ya know..

T, there you go clicking again! Don't do that. You're just making yourself miserable.

Don't you have more important things to do here like looking for underboob, crying about how bad Tennessee football sucks, and pretending not to like ALPA.

01-05-2012 | 03:11 PM

#7205

Carl Spackler

Back on TDY

Joined: Apr 2008

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From: 747-400 Captain

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbusdriver

"But For" more than forty years DALPA has had contractual FPL. That covers a period of time when dues were lower and dues were higher than they are now and beats you by seven years. It has covered down contracts and up contracts and everything betwixt and between. Yet when an alternative group appears in early 2009* just as the ink has dried from the merger approval on Halloween 2008 and a mere month after the combined operating certificate on New Years Eve 2008, it suddenly becomes an issue?

Coincidence?

The fact that it's been around for forty years is not a defense for its continuation. As people change and their motivations change, old provisions with long histories can become a problem. As I've said earlier, if our MEC bureaucrats were junkyard dogs fighting for scope reversal and C2K restoration, I'd be lobbying my reps to increase their pay. The fact that our MEC bureaucrats are doing nothing of the sort, I'm forced to ask the question: "Why Not?" Part of the answer could very well be the fact that they identify with the entity that actually pays their salaries. If the dollars are exactly the same, it shouldn't matter to our MEC bureaucrats where their money comes from.

When I represent a party and their interests, I'm paid BY that part, not some third party with a competing interest to the party I'm charged with representing. It's a tried and true process, and one I can hardly believe we're even arguing about.

Carl

01-05-2012 | 03:14 PM

#7206

Carl Spackler

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From: 747-400 Captain

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

T, there you go clicking again! Don't do that. You're just making yourself miserable.

Don't you have more important things to do here like looking for underboob, crying about how bad Tennessee football sucks, and pretending not to like ALPA.

Now that there's funny...I don't care who ya are!

Carl

01-05-2012 | 03:15 PM

#7207

tsquare

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From: 767er Captain

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

T, there you go clicking again! Don't do that. You're just making yourself miserable.

Don't you have more important things to do here like looking for underboob, crying about how bad Tennessee football sucks, and pretending not to like ALPA.

I was just looking at the recruiting for next year's football team. We should have a top 15 recruiting class which is good.. still have a long way to go however.

OK.. I'm outta here unless somebody says something to me personally.

01-05-2012 | 03:24 PM

#7208

DAL 88 Driver

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From: Retired (mandatory age 65)

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsquare

Okay. Vols suck!

01-05-2012 | 05:04 PM

#7209

tim123

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From: 320A

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheManager

Ok. Let's look at the facts.

NuGuy asked this in post 7155:

Is it, or is it not, true that schedules less than 70 hours are deleted when considering what is "average" when computing the number to pay FPL people?

That would go a LONG way in explaining why everyone I know is getting 68 hour lines from PBS, yet the "average" pay for FPL purposes is 87 hours.

If true, the real way to make a dent in the FPL pay is to change the policy manual to take into consideration all lines down to 60 hours, versus 70.

Nu

Well, here we have it. Straight from section 10.C.3

3. The MEC treasurer will periodically (but at least annually) determine the average
pay hours for regular line holders (computed average), which shall be approved
by the DAL MEC. This average will be used to determine the computed average
rate for full-time and part-time compensation. At every regularly scheduled MEC
meeting, the MEC treasurer will provide the MEC with the computed average rate

and the methodology used to determine the computed average rate

So, the MEC treasurer determines the "computed average."

What methodology is used by the treasurer to come to the "computed average?" What is the definition of "regular line holder?" Does this exclude those on reserve? In training? Only regular line holders in a short staffed category? Only regular line holders in only the months of June, July and August?

How can the line pilot, or rather DALPA's customers see how this determination and methodology was made by the treasurer? I see that it is made available to the MEC. How about making it available for all pilots to see anytime it is changed.

Point is, the process couldn't be any more opaque or be definition easier to manipulte to get and support any given number.

Great questions and good job manager.