Southwest planned no furloughs of F9 pilots and has never furloughed a pilot.
I agree that not going with SW was one of the dumbest choices ever made. This job is about money and quality of life. SWA would have offered improvements regardless of the seniority outcome.

 

Don't know if you work at SWA but if you do, be glad you did not inherit this spineless pilot group. They would have been a step backwards for SWA. Besides, you guys worked hard to get to where you are. Why would you want this pathetic group to be able to come in and prosper without paying the same dues you did?

 

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However right now your RAH bro's flying the FFD side are keeping you employed by flying the cash cow. As long as that is the case you really don't have much of an argument. We're tied together for better or worse. Being an MKE based guy generally the F9 guys stay on their half of the crew room, and only recently have a few guys even said hi in passing. You might come to understand us better by engaging in non-union based conversations. The only time anyone I can remember has taken a seat on our side was the RPC guys that showed up one day. I haven't been in the DEN room yet but I can imagine a scene much the same. Bridge the gap. We're getting more ****ed at you guys by the day for the "holier than thou" attitude, and now we all feel like you are trying to screw our efforts to finally get paid by BB, WH and the other goons by giving into this obvious BB ploy. Stop lowering the bar. We all want to move on to something better, and this just lowers the entire industry. no more concessions.

 

I don't think it's hyperbolic at all. I didn't used to think of Frontier pilots that way, but now I do. I now believe Frontier pilots will accept any and all concessions to save what they view as their culture and way of life. This latest concessionary cave-in proves that.

The old Frontier guys that I knew decades ago would be mortified at this latest act of cowardice by you "new" Frontier pilots. It's clear the rest of the profession doesn't matter to you. The rest of the profession won't forget.

Carl

 

Would you throw that same dart at the United pilots for the HUGE cuts they took in '02/'03?

 

Without trying to start a food fight...a public bulletin board for pilots probably does more to "degrade" the profession than any specific pilot group ever did.

 

So true....but I can't help myself!

 

Maybe the Old Frontier guys worked in a different industry and world than we do today?

Swelblog / Swelbar on Airlines - Articles - Autos, Airlines and the Question of UnionRelevance

"Today, the goal of most airlines is to reach “responsible” contracts with union employees with costs sustainable over the term of the contract. That’s a much better approach than the patterns of the past, when buying labor peace in one contract only forced airlines into asking for concessions before the amendable date because they could no longer afford the terms. And sustainability benefits employees, too, particularly if it avoids the need for concessionary bargaining in a downturn and provides protection on the upside to prevent companies from earning outsized profits on labor’s back."

I don't expect you to agree, but maybe, just maybe, you could understand that there are other points of view that are relevant.

And I don't remember electing you to be the voice of "the rest of the profession." Get over yourself.

 

We got some big boy talk going on here. Good thing this is the internet otherwise someone might have to get taken to the back room and "Talk About It". Lighten up people. I've been furloughed, you've been furloughed and you to will be furloughed at some point. "It's like playing cards with my brothers kids around here" Johnny Tylor-Tombstone.

 

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