I see his point exactly. He doesn't wish for pilots to lose their jobs. Just Republic Pilots because they are, well, Maggots on the Ass end of Aviation, and F9 Pilots because of their Spineless, Weak kneed, higher than thou attitude.

 

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I dig your response Cpt but an interview isn't going to tell you much when I am on my best behavior....You have only a few hours with a guy and, if he wants to, he can hide alot. We all get crabbypants at work but often we aren't that way to the bone... just when Murphy's law kicks in.

 

someone swing a magnet!!!! the irony in here is ridiculus (intention misspell)

 

More than you did vis a vis Midwest Express. You stabbed them in the back and now you've got the knife pointed at F9. Well, done, Sonny boy.

 

We did have snap-backs negotiated, and we do now.

Revenue has nothing to do with it. Profits are what keep you in business. It's just amazing to me that you didn't know that. That's why it's called "profit sharing" and not "revenue sharing".

That's very kind of you. I've seen that kind of talk before, and it's very easy to talk tough when it's not your job on the line.

You claim it's a bluff, against all common sense (just look at the numbers and tell me where they're hiding the money and I might think you have a case). I'm tired of you saying "he's bluffing", without providing any evidence to back it up.

I'll preempt you for next week: the upcoming announcement changes nothing.

I don't have a lot of motivation to do so. Life is good, and I have more to lose by trying to gain that little bit more that than by just keeping things the same.

Try that argument at your next interview (i.e. "this interview is meaningless") and tell me how it works. Methinks they conduct interviews for a reason.

 

I know this is key to your argument. If anyone has ever negotiated a concession, then they can't comment on Frontier because they've done the exact same thing. Anyone not crippled by your need to save face will immediately see the hollowness of your argument. Negotiating concessions after 9-11 during the worst revenue environment in HISTORY is NOT the same thing as doing so during the STRONGEST revenue environment since pre 9-11.

Here's what you refuse to acknowledge: Frontier will probably fail no matter what you do, because it has little to do with you pilots. Poor management can and will negate anything you do regards concessions. History is replete with examples. When you accept concessions during historically strong revenue environments, you prove the point of the BB's and Frank Lorenzo's who believe that pilots will PAY TO WORK in order to keep their jobs. Will you go that far? You probably would - and that's your choice. You would come up with some rationalization and claim that other pilots have done the same thing by flying a trip for union flight pay loss. When you do what you've done, you not only prove the point of the truly evil management types out there, but you excuse and mask those managers' utter incompetence.

I'm here to tell you that because of this collapse of courage, you are universally disrespected and always will be. I can never look at a Frontier pilot the same way as I used to. Never.

Carl

 

The increase in fuel costs is the same for everyone. Industry revenue is up huge. The strongest revenue environment since pre 9-11. This is the environment in which Frontier pilots accepted concessions.

You've seen the business plan eh? Did BB tell you that the competitor he uses as his excuse (SWA) is no longer a low cost carrier but very often has some of the highest fares around? Competing with SWA is no longer a bad thing. SWA's high fares are helping to create the very strong revenue environment that we're all seeing. The same environment in which Frontier pilots negotiated concessions.

Your excuses for weakness are an easily provable FAIL.

Carl

 

Your ignorance is appalling. Pilots, mechanics and others have done exactly this over many decades. Eastern Airlines is an example of pilots and mechanics who DID NOT cave in to Frank Lorenzo even though they knew it would probably be the end of the airline. Those folks saw Frank for what he was and would not help him, nor hurt the profession.

Try learning a little about the history of airline pilots before you post such ignorance based on your own "me first" attitude.

Carl

 

What amazing ignorance. Revenue has nothing to do with it? Really? Ever see stocks crash after an earnings report that shows increased profits but LOWER revenue? That's because revenue is THE single most important item to a company. Without revenue, all the cost controls in the world won't help you. Revenue is also the key indicator of management effectiveness, and it is THIS indicator that makes BB a failed manager and Frontier a failed airline.

At least you're being honest. You flat out state that you have no motivation to grow a pair. You are exactly the dream employee to the BB's of the world. Again, it's your choice - but it's why you're universally disrespected. When Frontier fails, I would never consider even interviewing folks that showed your level of weakness. The professional pilot has to have strong integrity, not utter weakness.

Since you'll probably be interviewing soon, you can let us all know.

Carl