DTW Roadshow
06-02-2012, 06:22 PM
#81
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The DTW reps voted against the TA, but failed to be present at the roadshow in their own council to explain their viewpoint? Epic fail.
The excuse given is sad. The excuse given by some of the supporters even more so. They were asked not to be present? And they complied? Double-fault.
If you're being driven away from a meeting in your own council, or you find it important to attend other events, or fly a trip, you've got no excuse.
The excuse given is sad. The excuse given by some of the supporters even more so. They were asked not to be present? And they complied? Double-fault.
If you're being driven away from a meeting in your own council, or you find it important to attend other events, or fly a trip, you've got no excuse.
06-02-2012, 06:24 PM
#82
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Position: Capt
Posts: 2,041
The DTW reps voted against the TA, but failed to be present at the roadshow in their own council to explain their viewpoint? Epic fail.
The excuse given is sad. The excuse given by some of the supporters even more so. They were asked not to be present? And they complied? Double-fault.
If you're being driven away from a meeting in your own council, or you find it important to attend other events, or fly a trip, you've got no excuse.
The excuse given is sad. The excuse given by some of the supporters even more so. They were asked not to be present? And they complied? Double-fault.
If you're being driven away from a meeting in your own council, or you find it important to attend other events, or fly a trip, you've got no excuse.
06-02-2012, 07:56 PM
#83
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the company will purchase 717s because they need them.
The company will park 50 seater's because they will have to.
Managment must run this company profitablly. It just so happens to favor us now.
Yes voters...you are literally giving away something for free.
Please connect the dots guys. The 717 purchase has nothing to do with parking 50 seater's sooner. They can do that with our current contract. Nothing stops them.
They'd just like to do what they were gonna do anyways and get you to sign off on crap wages and additional 76 seater's.
The company will park 50 seater's because they will have to.
Managment must run this company profitablly. It just so happens to favor us now.
Yes voters...you are literally giving away something for free.
Please connect the dots guys. The 717 purchase has nothing to do with parking 50 seater's sooner. They can do that with our current contract. Nothing stops them.
They'd just like to do what they were gonna do anyways and get you to sign off on crap wages and additional 76 seater's.
06-03-2012, 12:09 AM
#84
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Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: Left, left, left right left....
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The DTW reps voted against the TA, but failed to be present at the roadshow in their own council to explain their viewpoint? Epic fail.
The excuse given is sad. The excuse given by some of the supporters even more so. They were asked not to be present? And they complied? Double-fault.
If you're being driven away from a meeting in your own council, or you find it important to attend other events, or fly a trip, you've got no excuse.
The excuse given is sad. The excuse given by some of the supporters even more so. They were asked not to be present? And they complied? Double-fault.
If you're being driven away from a meeting in your own council, or you find it important to attend other events, or fly a trip, you've got no excuse.
06-03-2012, 03:55 AM
#85
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Position: 767ER capt
Posts: 1,190
I'm under the impression over half of DTW has already submitted DPA cards (along with MSP).
I can't imagine DTW rolling over for this TA. Sure, a several of the safe "yes" voters showed up today--DALPA's "rent-a-crowd". However, I'm sure a vast majority of the DTW group couldn't be bothered to waste their time on an indoctrination session.
This attempt to portray passage as inevitable is more DALPA spin; they are trying to invent peer pressure and a sense of "lost cause" that doesn't exist.
This thing is far from a done deal--especially in the former North bases.
I can't imagine DTW rolling over for this TA. Sure, a several of the safe "yes" voters showed up today--DALPA's "rent-a-crowd". However, I'm sure a vast majority of the DTW group couldn't be bothered to waste their time on an indoctrination session.
This attempt to portray passage as inevitable is more DALPA spin; they are trying to invent peer pressure and a sense of "lost cause" that doesn't exist.
This thing is far from a done deal--especially in the former North bases.
06-03-2012, 04:43 AM
#86
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
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Posts: 1,142
The company will purchase 717s because they need them.
The company will park 50 seater's because they will have to.
Managment must run this company profitablly. It just so happens to favor us now.
Yes voters...you are literally giving away something for free.
Please connect the dots guys. The 717 purchase has nothing to do with parking 50 seater's sooner. They can do that with our current contract. Nothing stops them.
They'd just like to do what they were gonna do anyways and get you to sign off on crap wages and additional 76 seater's.
The company will park 50 seater's because they will have to.
Managment must run this company profitablly. It just so happens to favor us now.
Yes voters...you are literally giving away something for free.
Please connect the dots guys. The 717 purchase has nothing to do with parking 50 seater's sooner. They can do that with our current contract. Nothing stops them.
They'd just like to do what they were gonna do anyways and get you to sign off on crap wages and additional 76 seater's.
06-03-2012, 05:51 AM
#87
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 103
The company will purchase 717s because they need them.
The company will park 50 seater's because they will have to.
Managment must run this company profitablly. It just so happens to favor us now.
Yes voters...you are literally giving away something for free.
Please connect the dots guys. The 717 purchase has nothing to do with parking 50 seater's sooner. They can do that with our current contract. Nothing stops them.
They'd just like to do what they were gonna do anyways and get you to sign off on crap wages and additional 76 seater's.
The company will park 50 seater's because they will have to.
Managment must run this company profitablly. It just so happens to favor us now.
Yes voters...you are literally giving away something for free.
Please connect the dots guys. The 717 purchase has nothing to do with parking 50 seater's sooner. They can do that with our current contract. Nothing stops them.
They'd just like to do what they were gonna do anyways and get you to sign off on crap wages and additional 76 seater's.
YES! (why doesn't everyone get this)
06-03-2012, 06:05 AM
#88
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Fire, ready, aim. Did you call or write your reps? I did. The roadshow was scheduled on barely a weeks notice. Capt was on left coast looking after an ailing parent, planned, well in advance, FO was at a planned reunion, and ST was out flying trying to wrap up consolidation on a new acft. The roadshows are informational, not editorial or a political forum, and I'm very pleased with the written explanations for their votes.
Carl
06-03-2012, 06:29 AM
#89
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Posts: 2,530
The company will purchase 717s because they need them.
The company will park 50 seater's because they will have to.
Managment must run this company profitablly. It just so happens to favor us now.
Yes voters...you are literally giving away something for free.
Please connect the dots guys. The 717 purchase has nothing to do with parking 50 seater's sooner. They can do that with our current contract. Nothing stops them.
They'd just like to do what they were gonna do anyways and get you to sign off on crap wages and additional 76 seater's.
The company will park 50 seater's because they will have to.
Managment must run this company profitablly. It just so happens to favor us now.
Yes voters...you are literally giving away something for free.
Please connect the dots guys. The 717 purchase has nothing to do with parking 50 seater's sooner. They can do that with our current contract. Nothing stops them.
They'd just like to do what they were gonna do anyways and get you to sign off on crap wages and additional 76 seater's.
06-03-2012, 07:54 AM
#90
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Position: 777 Sim Instructor
Posts: 745
The company will purchase 717s because they need them.
The company will park 50 seater's because they will have to.
Managment must run this company profitablly. It just so happens to favor us now.
Yes voters...you are literally giving away something for free.
Please connect the dots guys. The 717 purchase has nothing to do with parking 50 seater's sooner. They can do that with our current contract. Nothing stops them.
They'd just like to do what they were gonna do anyways and get you to sign off on crap wages and additional 76 seater's.
The company will park 50 seater's because they will have to.
Managment must run this company profitablly. It just so happens to favor us now.
Yes voters...you are literally giving away something for free.
Please connect the dots guys. The 717 purchase has nothing to do with parking 50 seater's sooner. They can do that with our current contract. Nothing stops them.
They'd just like to do what they were gonna do anyways and get you to sign off on crap wages and additional 76 seater's.
The company doesn't have to park the 50 seaters, they want to but they don't have to. DL will make huge profits with the 50 seater this year and next. Have you seen the price of oil lately? DL will also use the $400 mil cost of this TA to overhaul and renegotiate the DCI contracts.
Please connect the dots guys. This isn't a great deal but it is a good deal and if we turn it down we will be in section 6 under the NMB. This isn't a fear tactic, it's reality spawned by knowing people involved in the decision making process at DL. If it passes hiring is going to crank up in the 1st quarter, if it doesn't they will re-evaluate based on the economy. Not a fear tactic just the truth.
On the 76 seater: we gave that up 3 contracts or so ago (shame on us) and they will never come back to mainline. Our best hope is to limit the number of jets flying DCI and there by limiting the number of outsourced jobs. This TA does that.
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