Dal came to us!!!
06-08-2012 | 08:57 PM
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I know they are hoping to get enough early outs to offset the loss of 300 jobs with work rule changes(concessions). However lets assume that 250 take it. How many of those would you guess are above age 60? My point is there are over 400 guys up for mandatory retirement between now and 2015. Those guys were going to retire anyway in a short time. Now we are having to use these retirements to cover the work rule changes.
06-09-2012 | 02:33 AM
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Easy money.
Amarone.... Santi. We get a nice discount at duty free in Rome. Last time I bought it it was 35 Euro.
I'll take a check too.
06-09-2012 | 04:12 AM
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I gotta say that you are not doing anything to help out the industry. Maybe if you guys could have actually negotiated a contract with higher pay rates and better work rules, we could be using that to piggy back on. Unfortunately, if we pass this TA, you will need to increase the pay rates by over 50% on Jan 1, 2015 and that is just to meet our rates.
Doesn't United scope currently allow for unlimited 70 seaters?
Talk about hurting the industry
Doesn't United scope currently allow for unlimited 70 seaters?
Talk about hurting the industry
So....I guess you don't know what you're talking about.
We could have gotten a pay raise a long time ago if we were willing to accept your current scope. Our CEO told us that we didn't get a contract quick like Delta since UAL pilots aren't as "helpful" as DAL pilots.
06-09-2012 | 04:15 AM
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You're getting set up and you won't open your eyes to see it.
The future is obvious if you look at the last 15 years and the changes that have happened to scope.
06-09-2012 | 07:56 AM
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I think the merger/acquisition goal is Hawaiian. The basis for my opinion is a conversation that I had with one of our NC at a roadshow. I won't go into the details of my conversation. The conversation didn't involve mergers. I went home and put a couple of ACL's connecting the dots together and I ended up at Hawaiian. It fits too nicely.
If they wanted Alaska, the Company would have protected the Q400X. They didn't. Alaska is too big from an anti-trust position.
They want Hawaiian. Haneda, AC types, anchors far east operation. It's too small to cause anti-trust concerns.
They also want the AMR assets that the PBGC has placed a lien upon.
They will just let Alaska fester for a little while longer.
I think they want us locked up in order to go for Hawaiian.
If they wanted Alaska, the Company would have protected the Q400X. They didn't. Alaska is too big from an anti-trust position.
They want Hawaiian. Haneda, AC types, anchors far east operation. It's too small to cause anti-trust concerns.
They also want the AMR assets that the PBGC has placed a lien upon.
They will just let Alaska fester for a little while longer.
I think they want us locked up in order to go for Hawaiian.
06-09-2012 | 08:29 AM
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Baja.
06-09-2012 | 08:42 AM
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I think the merger/acquisition goal is Hawaiian. The basis for my opinion is a conversation that I had with one of our NC at a roadshow. I won't go into the details of my conversation. The conversation didn't involve mergers. I went home and put a couple of ACL's connecting the dots together and I ended up at Hawaiian. It fits too nicely.
If they wanted Alaska, the Company would have protected the Q400X. They didn't. Alaska is too big from an anti-trust position.
They want Hawaiian. Haneda, AC types, anchors far east operation. It's too small to cause anti-trust concerns.
They also want the AMR assets that the PBGC has placed a lien upon.
They will just let Alaska fester for a little while longer.
I think they want us locked up in order to go for Hawaiian.
If they wanted Alaska, the Company would have protected the Q400X. They didn't. Alaska is too big from an anti-trust position.
They want Hawaiian. Haneda, AC types, anchors far east operation. It's too small to cause anti-trust concerns.
They also want the AMR assets that the PBGC has placed a lien upon.
They will just let Alaska fester for a little while longer.
I think they want us locked up in order to go for Hawaiian.
06-09-2012 | 08:43 AM
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I disagree with your last sentence. The last 15 years has included 9-11 and bankruptcy. Don't you think those 2 things shaped the industry for the worse the last 12 years? Unless something similar happens, I do not see us caving on scope. I do not think we have this time.
You said you were worried about retaining your job because of scope, well this TA brings block hours back to mainline and removes block hours from DCI thereby protecting mainline jobs and possibly/likely bringing more jobs along with it while also eliminating approx. 1500 DCI pilot positions.
The line has been held at 76 seats.
Denny
06-09-2012 | 09:30 AM
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Yes, anything can happen in the future. How about we negotiate for a higher block hour ratio, and a lowering of the 450 total aircraft cap? Isn't that possible too?
You said you were worried about retaining your job because of scope, well this TA brings block hours back to mainline and removes block hours from DCI thereby protecting mainline jobs and possibly/likely bringing more jobs along with it while also eliminating approx. 1500 DCI pilot positions.
The line has been held at 76 seats.
Denny
You said you were worried about retaining your job because of scope, well this TA brings block hours back to mainline and removes block hours from DCI thereby protecting mainline jobs and possibly/likely bringing more jobs along with it while also eliminating approx. 1500 DCI pilot positions.
The line has been held at 76 seats.
Denny
06-09-2012 | 09:53 AM
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I guess if you think ALPA will sign away the ratio, you might have a point. I just don't see that happening.
Denny
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