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Old 08-02-2012 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by gasnhaul
Yeah and hopefully those of us that were in the pool with NWA and never got the call last round might get some love this time...
I hope so too G. If you were good enough for the pool, there is a reason NWA put ya there. My Northern Brothers are righteous cats. Stay close to Boomer, and good luck! H
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Old 08-02-2012 | 04:02 PM
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Virgin is starting up hiring again.
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Old 08-03-2012 | 12:38 AM
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"When hiring begins, it will be for a long time. You want to be on the front of that wave."

I know it's all speculation, but how long is the front of that wave going to be? Six months? Five years? I personally don't think hiring will kick in for another 2-3 years but when it does...where's the front of that wave?
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Old 08-03-2012 | 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Buford
"When hiring begins, it will be for a long time. You want to be on the front of that wave."

I know it's all speculation, but how long is the front of that wave going to be? Six months? Five years? I personally don't think hiring will kick in for another 2-3 years but when it does...where's the front of that wave?
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Old 08-03-2012 | 04:50 AM
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Allegiant - our VP of flight ops said hiring is imminent. With A319s coming and MD 80s and 757s staying, it's all growth.

We currently have about 6 pilots per airplane (yes that's PILOTS not crews) crazy huh? At that rate the Airbus alone will mean 115~ over the next 3 years.

I'd have to imagine that 6PPA will have to go up a little. It's pretty painfully understaffed. Company relies on "mission mode" which is essentially open time volunteers instead of reserves to pick up the slack.
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Old 08-03-2012 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Raul Duke
Allegiant - our VP of flight ops said hiring is imminent. With A319s coming and MD 80s and 757s staying, it's all growth.

We currently have about 6 pilots per airplane (yes that's PILOTS not crews) crazy huh? At that rate the Airbus alone will mean 115~ over the next 3 years.

I'd have to imagine that 6PPA will have to go up a little. It's pretty painfully understaffed. Company relies on "mission mode" which is essentially open time volunteers instead of reserves to pick up the slack.
Do you guys still do out and backs? That probably keeps the need for staffing down.
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Old 08-03-2012 | 11:07 AM
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I love how the delta guys always freak out when they find this out. What do you mean no interview? They just get hired? Somehow these pilots aren't worthy of flying these customers at delta but its all good at delta connection.
Sorry bud, but at one point, a certain DCI carrier was basically handing out class dates, with no interviews, to graduates from certain colleges. So theoretically, according to your plan, a pilot could be at Delta without ever having been interviewed in life.

There are plenty of pilots at the regional level that should not have made it there, but the lack of warm bodies forced the hiring at regional carriers to relax on their own standards. The majors have not had this problem, because they have very limited jobs and a large applicant pool. So, they can pick and choose who they want from that large pool.
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Old 08-03-2012 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by JetMonkey
Yup, a lot of people forget that the flowthru door swing both ways. This is exactly what happened at ExpressJet after 9/11. 400 Continental pilots "flowed back" to XJT. I lost my left seat for 2 1/2 years. Xjt had to push 600 of their own out on the street.
Yes, but the flowthrough door should swing both ways only when the movement allows for both ways! With the Compass deal the way it is right now, even after all eligible Compass pilots flow up (the 400 or so), and even 10 years later with no flow up, Delta can always (indefinitely) flow back into Compass and knock their pilots out. At places like Eagle and XJT, when mainline flowed back, at least there was a flow UP provision that helped your group at the time when mainline was hiring. But for the Compass guys that can't flow, Compass will always be a flowback-only carrier. 20 years from now, Delta can still flowback into Compass. That's a pretty hefty price to pay for the "priviledge" of 400 pilots flowing to Delta now, and even those guys were hired 2007-2010.
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Old 08-03-2012 | 08:09 PM
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20 years from now, Delta can still flowback into Compass.
Hopefully, Compass, or any other DCI subcontractor won't exist 20 years from now.
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Old 08-05-2012 | 05:57 PM
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I hope so too G. If you were good enough for the pool, there is a reason NWA put ya there. My Northern Brothers are righteous cats. Stay close to Boomer, and good luck! H
I can't let it pass without pointing out how deplorably Delta handled the Northwest Poolies when they opened the window for the first time after the merger. I know that episode is lost within the static and perpetual inequity of this business, but it would have been so easy to have done the right thing, and they didn’t.
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