Spirit, the multi million dollar mistake!
12-17-2015, 05:47 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by Gunga Din
Why would the company really care if they've got high turn over? Assuming the company can keep pilots long enough to recoup their initial training costs;
1) keeps average wages way down
2) allows them to advertise quick upgrades and 3) keeps the any real culture and solidarity at a minimum.
As long as we pay above RJ Fo or CFI wages the bottom of the barrel will still apply. That's why NC needs to really focus on FO pay too. We need quality guys.
1) keeps average wages way down
2) allows them to advertise quick upgrades and 3) keeps the any real culture and solidarity at a minimum.
As long as we pay above RJ Fo or CFI wages the bottom of the barrel will still apply. That's why NC needs to really focus on FO pay too. We need quality guys.
12-17-2015, 06:02 AM
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I hate to get into the middle if this, but I am new to this site and have an interview with spirit. After reading this forum I'm not so sure I even want to go.
I have been a regional Capt for 3 yes seems the pay scale the company has proposed is no better than where I am.
Ya you have brand new aircraft but why come to spirit to be responsible for more people and be paid so poorly.....Thoughts
I have been a regional Capt for 3 yes seems the pay scale the company has proposed is no better than where I am.
Ya you have brand new aircraft but why come to spirit to be responsible for more people and be paid so poorly.....Thoughts
12-17-2015, 06:13 AM
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I guess the good thing about this this thread is that managament reads APC and maybe they'll see how insulting their proposal was.
Whether or not they care is another thing
Spirit may currently appear to be a dead end job (subject to change!)but it's less of a dead end job than a regional. You have no decision to make
Until you are offered a class. Worst case, you get an AIRBUS type and see what our next contract brings. Nobody says you can't leave
Whether or not they care is another thing
Originally Posted by Fltattndpkr
I hate to get into the middle if this, but I am new to this site and have an interview with spirit. After reading this forum I'm not so sure I even want to go.
I have been a regional Capt for 3 yes seems the pay scale the company has proposed is no better than where I am.
Ya you have brand new aircraft but why come to spirit to be responsible for more people and be paid so poorly.....Thoughts
I have been a regional Capt for 3 yes seems the pay scale the company has proposed is no better than where I am.
Ya you have brand new aircraft but why come to spirit to be responsible for more people and be paid so poorly.....Thoughts
Until you are offered a class. Worst case, you get an AIRBUS type and see what our next contract brings. Nobody says you can't leave
12-17-2015, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Fltattndpkr
I hate to get into the middle if this, but I am new to this site and have an interview with spirit. After reading this forum I'm not so sure I even want to go.
I have been a regional Capt for 3 yes seems the pay scale the company has proposed is no better than where I am.
Ya you have brand new aircraft but why come to spirit to be responsible for more people and be paid so poorly.....Thoughts
I have been a regional Capt for 3 yes seems the pay scale the company has proposed is no better than where I am.
Ya you have brand new aircraft but why come to spirit to be responsible for more people and be paid so poorly.....Thoughts
12-17-2015, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by F9 Driver
We've got the lowest rates in the industry. It's a fact too. We just came through bankruptcy without a single work rule touched, but that's for another discussion.
The only reason I chime in is to point out that the peer group you use in contract negotiations is NEGOTIATED. The company says "Spirit and Frontier" and ALPA had best say "American and SWA". Eventually you meet in the middle somewhere.
That the ugly house down the block exists and affects your property value may be a fact, but they may scrape it and build one that makes yours look like a POS.
It is all a big cycle that's been going on for years. The difference seems to be the public forums for venting, the age 65 rule having recently stalled so many plans (you were warned not to bet your mortgages on) and the entitled mentality so pervasive in every facet of today's society.
Rant over. Good luck with your contract!
The only reason I chime in is to point out that the peer group you use in contract negotiations is NEGOTIATED. The company says "Spirit and Frontier" and ALPA had best say "American and SWA". Eventually you meet in the middle somewhere.
That the ugly house down the block exists and affects your property value may be a fact, but they may scrape it and build one that makes yours look like a POS.
It is all a big cycle that's been going on for years. The difference seems to be the public forums for venting, the age 65 rule having recently stalled so many plans (you were warned not to bet your mortgages on) and the entitled mentality so pervasive in every facet of today's society.
Rant over. Good luck with your contract!
I didn't post my comment with the intention of making this a Jetblue vs spirit argument. We have our own problems that we're trying to fix with our first ALPA contract. I only pointed that out because Smails and Rainbows came on here attacking the OP and telling him to "just quit". That's such a juvenile argument I felt I had to speak up.
12-17-2015, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
I guess the good thing about this this thread is that managament reads APC and maybe they'll see how insulting their proposal was.
Whether or not they care is another thing
Spirit may currently appear to be a dead end job (subject to change!)but it's less of a dead end job than a regional. You have no decision to make
Until you are offered a class. Worst case, you get an AIRBUS type and see what our next contract brings. Nobody says you can't leave
Whether or not they care is another thing
Spirit may currently appear to be a dead end job (subject to change!)but it's less of a dead end job than a regional. You have no decision to make
Until you are offered a class. Worst case, you get an AIRBUS type and see what our next contract brings. Nobody says you can't leave
12-17-2015, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Rainbows
We ain't saying a new contract with increased pay rates and retirement while holding on to our QOL rules isn't what we want. I'm saying their going about it the wrong way. And how do you mean we're dragging down the rest of the industry? How about the other carriers who don't have four days off between pairings, or transition conflict, or line bidding or sweet vacation rules, or nice inexpensive insurance? Huh? Are they dragging down the industry? How about those pilot groups who have given up scope, allowed code sharing, a and b plans, etc, they dragging down the industry? Please, you gotta be a special kind of stupid if you think the legacies are sitting looking across the negotiating table quoting Spirit's rates to its pilots. 
You will find any way you can to justify your industry leading concessionary wages won't you?
4 days off between 6 day work blocks. Pretty sweet brah. And yes, your rates do take away the negotiating power legacy pilots have. Are they helping?
12-17-2015, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
I guess the good thing about this this thread is that managament reads APC and maybe they'll see how insulting their proposal was.
Whether or not they care is another thing
Spirit may currently appear to be a dead end job (subject to change!)but it's less of a dead end job than a regional. You have no decision to make
Until you are offered a class. Worst case, you get an AIRBUS type and see what our next contract brings. Nobody says you can't leave
Whether or not they care is another thing
Spirit may currently appear to be a dead end job (subject to change!)but it's less of a dead end job than a regional. You have no decision to make
Until you are offered a class. Worst case, you get an AIRBUS type and see what our next contract brings. Nobody says you can't leave
Now if you weren't doing it at such a discount it wouldn't be an issue (the argument being it's actually a legit business model rather than than depending on cheap labor that doesn't realize their own value subsidizing growth and maintaining profit margins).
12-17-2015, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by BiminiBendo
Hey guys, can you tell me exactly how much those regional FOs make?...... Just curious.
Don't forget that we have free smiles here guys!
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Most Rjs carrying 70 pax
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