Spirit low tier pilots
05-09-2016 | 04:52 AM
#201
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You guys really need to stop playing lawyer on the net. The way it works. The company tracks your working habits. Everyone flies the contract and X amount of extra flying. That is the norm. If suddenly the X goes away, that can be brought to a Judge as proof of a job action. Don't doubt for a minute a F&H employee or similar firm is not copying every post here.
A Judge hears the suit brought before him. He/she could care less what the parties are like. Most of the time, it is the best attorney (attorneys make lots of money, lawyers not so much as in dime a dozen) that wins the case. The company can afford the best. Last point, if you guys don't know who is talking about "fly the contract and nothing else what can they do?" that person just might be a F&H employee or similar firm paid to get ammo for the company (see paragraph 1). We had employees do just that for our clients. So don't help your foe. Think about the idiots that shoot deer out of season and post on social media. Just be careful what you write AND respond to. A disclaimer- I never worked contracts for any airline by chance or choice but still a bastard who won cases for clients.
A Judge hears the suit brought before him. He/she could care less what the parties are like. Most of the time, it is the best attorney (attorneys make lots of money, lawyers not so much as in dime a dozen) that wins the case. The company can afford the best. Last point, if you guys don't know who is talking about "fly the contract and nothing else what can they do?" that person just might be a F&H employee or similar firm paid to get ammo for the company (see paragraph 1). We had employees do just that for our clients. So don't help your foe. Think about the idiots that shoot deer out of season and post on social media. Just be careful what you write AND respond to. A disclaimer- I never worked contracts for any airline by chance or choice but still a bastard who won cases for clients.
Of course this has more to do with somewhat increased pay and just wanting to be around for my daughters than it is "sticking it to the management" <------ legal disclaimer lol
05-09-2016 | 05:01 AM
#202
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From: Low paid Airbus gear slinger
I'll be the first to go to jail then because as an F/O I credited 100+ hrs every month and since I upgraded I drop 2-3 R days a month and credit mid 60s, lol.
Of course this has more to do with somewhat increased pay and just wanting to be around for my daughters than it is "sticking it to the management" <------ legal disclaimer lol
Of course this has more to do with somewhat increased pay and just wanting to be around for my daughters than it is "sticking it to the management" <------ legal disclaimer lol
05-09-2016 | 07:38 AM
#203
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
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Remember you just called a guy out for "sticking his nose in something he has no idea of what he is talking about"...so I am wanting to know this "forced to pick up open time" case you speak of.
05-09-2016 | 08:04 AM
#204
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From: Right Seat, BOHICA Clipper
DELTA AIR LINES INC v. AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION INTERNATIONAL | FindLaw
Both ALPA and individual pilots were fined, there is legal precedent.
Both ALPA and individual pilots were fined, there is legal precedent.
05-09-2016 | 08:11 AM
#205
You scratched my anchor
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DELTA AIR LINES INC v. AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION INTERNATIONAL | FindLaw
Both ALPA and individual pilots were fined, there is legal precedent.
Both ALPA and individual pilots were fined, there is legal precedent.
05-09-2016 | 08:33 AM
#206
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DELTA AIR LINES INC v. AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION INTERNATIONAL | FindLaw
Both ALPA and individual pilots were fined, there is legal precedent.
Both ALPA and individual pilots were fined, there is legal precedent.
05-09-2016 | 08:38 AM
#207
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
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DELTA AIR LINES INC v. AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION INTERNATIONAL | FindLaw
Both ALPA and individual pilots were fined, there is legal precedent.
Both ALPA and individual pilots were fined, there is legal precedent.
Nowhere does it state that pilots are forced to pick up open time. You just can't be a moron and tell the company "I'm refusing the pick up open time until we have anew contract"
It does say that pilots advocating not picking up time to hurt the company can be held individually accountable in future events; but still looking for the part in which pilots must pick up open time
05-09-2016 | 08:44 AM
#209
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It's unfortunate that management can't pay their pilots what they are worth, and in doing so, we could move on to the next chapter of making this airline what it has the potential of becoming.
05-09-2016 | 01:33 PM
#210
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All we need is some matches, a little gasoline and a handful of lunatics that really like fire and are willing to burn this place down (just kidding sort of) . But seriously,.. I wish we had fewer intellectuals that like to speculate and about the dynamics of the RLA and contract negotiations and more baseball bat wielding tattooed thugs (we do have some on property) that are willing to accept unpleasant consequences. Sorry guys but we are not going to get a decent contract this decade by being nice and acting "professional".
Last edited by Alphafloor; 05-09-2016 at 02:13 PM.
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