Spirit low tier pilots
05-10-2016 | 10:49 AM
#231
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Here's my question: Does Allegiant have a contract? Or do they have work rules? Who is their bargaining agent?
05-10-2016 | 11:21 AM
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Well, at least the JRM is costing the company more money. That's really the only silver lining I can see lol.
The Majority of F/Os I fly with are figuring out how to escape. One went to a Job Fair before OE, lol. It's not that guys are miserable per se but they aren't exactly "Happy" either. It's like when I was at XJT. Everyone is just doing the "BARE" minimum until a legacy calls or we get a contract. Just an observation
The Majority of F/Os I fly with are figuring out how to escape. One went to a Job Fair before OE, lol. It's not that guys are miserable per se but they aren't exactly "Happy" either. It's like when I was at XJT. Everyone is just doing the "BARE" minimum until a legacy calls or we get a contract. Just an observation
Even if you live in base, you only get a night at home to swap out laundry before leaving again for another 2,3 or 4-day pairing. Or, you get to subtract hotel or crash pad expenses from your low-tier salary if you are a commuter.
I like what you did there: "BARE Minimum". Maybe our graphic artist can make that into a simple yellow and black sticker or ID lanyard.
05-10-2016 | 04:19 PM
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Yes & no. He said there are "three tiers" of airlines when he was asked about rising pilot compensation. He then said Spirit was on the lowest Tier and basically We all be a bunch of dumb rednecks who are "just happy" to Upgrade.
What he failed to mention to Investors is that F/Os at Legacies are compensated higher than us "Dumber than **** CAs who are just happy to Upgrade" as well as upgrade at Legacies being shorter than ours.
What's really scary is if they really are that out of touch how do they have a snowballs chance in hell in getting this place to at least be on time 75% of the time.
If they do know what's going on then they are flat out lying to The investment community to hide the fact we are all Very dissatisfied
What he failed to mention to Investors is that F/Os at Legacies are compensated higher than us "Dumber than **** CAs who are just happy to Upgrade" as well as upgrade at Legacies being shorter than ours.
What's really scary is if they really are that out of touch how do they have a snowballs chance in hell in getting this place to at least be on time 75% of the time.
If they do know what's going on then they are flat out lying to The investment community to hide the fact we are all Very dissatisfied
05-11-2016 | 03:28 PM
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From: Under the Frog
Latest official upgrade news from Delta Air Lines.
1 year 7 months on property. Now a Captain.
Maybe I need to take a course in CEO math, but 1 year 7 months is considerably shorter than our current 3 year (and growing) upgrade time.
Maybe he needs to use Bendo's fingers and toes as well?
Ah. Nevermind. I see what my problem is.
Hard to count when you're Four Short of a High Five.
1 year 7 months on property. Now a Captain.
Maybe I need to take a course in CEO math, but 1 year 7 months is considerably shorter than our current 3 year (and growing) upgrade time.
Maybe he needs to use Bendo's fingers and toes as well?
Ah. Nevermind. I see what my problem is.
Hard to count when you're Four Short of a High Five.
05-11-2016 | 04:04 PM
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Took this from the Allegiant thread. It's worth repeating here
Whats crazy is the "frog boiling" effect and how everything appears to be normal to many who still work there. Until you leave to a place where things really are normal, it becomes hard to notice. Over time, the absurd becomes routine. Maintenance practices, staffing models, extreme outsourcing, shoddy training and non-exist infrastructure, considered heresy at other airlines, is normal and acceptable at the highly profitable allegiant.
All the savings and profits enjoyed by investors ensures everything gets lumped on the backs of the woefully underpaid front line employees. The inevitable burnout ensures high turnover, continued entry-level wages (read: $avings) steep learning curves and frustration. New airline, every day.
All the savings and profits enjoyed by investors ensures everything gets lumped on the backs of the woefully underpaid front line employees. The inevitable burnout ensures high turnover, continued entry-level wages (read: $avings) steep learning curves and frustration. New airline, every day.
05-11-2016 | 06:09 PM
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I'm just as frustrated as the next guy but let's call a spade a spade. Our training is not bad and our maintenance compared to they'res is impeccable. I've never had to explain asking for more gas or wondered if something imperative to safety was gonna get fixed. It boils down to dollars in our pockets vs dollars in they're pockets but let's not stab shoddy maintenance at them because it's just not the case
05-11-2016 | 07:25 PM
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I'm just as frustrated as the next guy but let's call a spade a spade. Our training is not bad and our maintenance compared to they'res is impeccable. I've never had to explain asking for more gas or wondered if something imperative to safety was gonna get fixed. It boils down to dollars in our pockets vs dollars in they're pockets but let's not stab shoddy maintenance at them because it's just not the case
05-11-2016 | 10:10 PM
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From: Low paid Airbus gear slinger
I'm just as frustrated as the next guy but let's call a spade a spade. Our training is not bad and our maintenance compared to they'res is impeccable. I've never had to explain asking for more gas or wondered if something imperative to safety was gonna get fixed. It boils down to dollars in our pockets vs dollars in they're pockets but let's not stab shoddy maintenance at them because it's just not the case
05-12-2016 | 01:17 AM
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Yeah, I gotta agree with this too. I've never had a CP or company man call me up to question something I did, or my captain did. I've never had anyone call me saying I was too concerned with safety. I've never had a CP call me and say, "you're wasting too much fuel". The pay is pretty substandard here, but the job itself ain't half bad. I'm guessing there's plenty places worse.
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