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Old 02-10-2007 | 08:56 PM
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it was...but first officer beverly had to flex her muscles...
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Old 02-11-2007 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by flappy
What do you mean ?
There are many examples of folks getting hired (Male and Female) with substantially less qualifications then their peers who where interviewing with them.


Back in the Late 80's/early 90's UAL had a problem with "Preferrential" hiring because of an EEOC lawsuit. The difference there was (and I am not sure it changed) UAL's advertised minimum hiring qualifications were 300hrs and a commercial instrument. We all know that 98% of the Non-preferrential people hired had well in excess of those mins.

The problem we have seen at FedEx too (actually it is not really a big problem, but it has happend more than a few times and maybe at your airline too), is that a few Pilot candidates with either BIG connections or a Preferred EEOC candidate got hired with less than the stated minimums.... There is the real Rub. Fedex use to publish the list of new hires with where they came from and what they flew............they stopped doing that because of a few C-172 and piper seminole pilots. FedEx has always had pretty high miniums. That 1000 Turbine PIC requirement got many folks excluded, even if they had 10,000 as a Legacy widebody FO or Heavy Military time.

The point I think others were trying to make is....The Airlines HR folks should set their mins and stick to them. If they need to change those mins based on the availablity of Pilot applicants so be it but stick within the mins. If you really think 300 hours with a commercial is enough, then Great, hire a bunch of folks with those Mins, not just EEOC affirmative action folks. If the Hiring mins are higher (like we all think they should be) then hire folks that fit those mins.................We aren't allowed to "Bust mins", why should the Company HR folks be allowed to. Always be above board and there is never a problem.

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Old 02-11-2007 | 08:16 AM
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......................So thats why its called, "YO-NITED"

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Old 02-11-2007 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
There are many examples of folks getting hired (Male and Female) with substantially less qualifications then their peers who where interviewing with them.


Back in the Late 80's/early 90's UAL had a problem with "Preferrential" hiring because of an EEOC lawsuit. The difference there was (and I am not sure it changed) UAL's advertised minimum hiring qualifications were 300hrs and a commercial instrument. We all know that 98% of the Non-preferrential people hired had well in excess of those mins.

The problem we have seen at FedEx too (actually it is not really a big problem, but it has happend more than a few times and maybe at your airline too), is that a few Pilot candidates with either BIG connections or a Preferred EEOC candidate got hired with less than the stated minimums.... There is the real Rub. Fedex use to publish the list of new hires with where they came from and what they flew............they stopped doing that because of a few C-172 and piper seminole pilots. FedEx has always had pretty high miniums. That 1000 Turbine PIC requirement got many folks excluded, even if they had 10,000 as a Legacy widebody FO or Heavy Military time.

The point I think others were trying to make is....The Airlines HR folks should set their mins and stick to them. If they need to change those mins based on the availablity of Pilot applicats so be it but stick within the mins. If you really think 300 hours with a commercial is enough, then Great, hire a bunch of folks with those Mins, not just EEOC affirmative action folks. If the Hiring mins are higher (like we all think they should be) then hire folks that fit those mins.................We aren't allowed to "Bust mins", why should the Company HR folks be allowed to. Always be above board and there is never a problem.
That's what I thought. Agree with you.

Just hire the best qualified applicants out there.
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Old 02-11-2007 | 08:43 AM
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Qualifications in regards to what...less ratings...no college education..please ellaborate.
Less PIC. No Intl/Heavy experience. For example
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Old 02-11-2007 | 08:44 AM
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You were defending me? Mmmmmmm. Is that so? Why the change of heart? No, noone tells me how lucky I am to be a woman flying for UPS. Noone says anything unless they are calling for a recommendation. I would hate to think they have the ba!!s to do this while talking smack behind my back but then again nothing surprises me anymore.
Noone wants to talk to you ? And yes I am a secret admirer.
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Old 02-11-2007 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by flappy
Noone wants to talk to you ? And yes I am a secret admirer.
Nope, noone cuz I am a freighbiatch.

I knew it.

For the record, I would prefer airlines hire only the most qualified. With that I mean, no recommendations, no affirmative action, etc, only the most qualified. I have no problem with that. Then we could all pay our dues equally and I wouldn't have to hear or read stupid comments like CaptainMark's for example.
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Old 02-12-2007 | 02:43 AM
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Old 02-12-2007 | 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainMark
not if u r a white male...hey..i don't make the rules...
Soooooo glad I don't have to fly with this one. Fedex's minority hiring record is abhorrible, the worst in the industry, and he's still angry. Stop watching "Gone with the Wind" and get over your sense of entitlement. Manifest Destiny is dead.
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Old 02-12-2007 | 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by A320fumes
Soooooo glad I don't have to fly with this one. Fedex's minority hiring record is abhorrible, the worst in the industry, and he's still angry. Stop watching "Gone with the Wind" and get over your sense of entitlement. Manifest Destiny is dead.
What "should" FedEx's minority hiring record be? How many minorites ACTAULLY apply to FedEx? Of those, how many ACTUALLY have the PIC requirment? Of those, how many will take the interview instead of holding out for something like CAL/SW?

Funny, I know plenty of "minority" CA's. In casual conversation when you ask them "so, you got your stuff out everywhere?" Or "where have you applied to?" FedEx is rarely mentioned.

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