Getting hired with no turbine experience.
02-12-2007 | 04:07 AM
#41
Ben Salley
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What "should" FedEx's minority hiring record be? How many minorities ACTAULLY apply to FedEx? Of those, how many ACTUALLY have the PIC requirement? Of those, how many will take the interview instead of holding out for something like CAL/SW?
Funny, I know plenty of "minority" Ca's. In casual conversation when you ask them "so, you got your stuff out everywhere?" Or "where have you applied to?" FedEx is rarely mentioned.
Funny, I know plenty of "minority" Ca's. In casual conversation when you ask them "so, you got your stuff out everywhere?" Or "where have you applied to?" FedEx is rarely mentioned.
There are many great guys at FEDEX and it's a great company to work for. But there record on minority hiring is well below that of other major carriers. And in tooting my own horn, I went to the majors with over 3,000 hours heavy turbine PIC. And for the last ten years I've listened to more than a few people make assumptions about my qualifications, always before the receiving checklist. Captain mark is a Captain at the best paying carrier in the world, there are fewer minorities at FEDEX to challenge his curiosity and he still needs to flamebait this forum with the lie that somehow if you are a white male pilot, your outlook is bleak. Just sick of that self-righteous-self-pity. Leave that stuff on your easy-boy so it will be available to watch Rush Limbaugh and get over the fact that you WILL have to share the cockpit with people who don't look like you. Personally, it's not my problem, never applied to FEDEX and have been hired EVERYWHERE I ever applied. You can worry yourself sick wondering whether that is because I'm black or because I've applied myself, kept a good attitude and far exceeded the minimum requisite qualifications for employment. Me I'll be out enjoying my job flying with, more than likely, a pretty cool white-dude who enjoys flying with me. Good Luck.
02-12-2007 | 04:38 AM
#42
Ben Salley
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What "should" FedEx's minority hiring record be? How many minorites ACTAULLY apply to FedEx? Of those, how many ACTUALLY have the PIC requirment? Of those, how many will take the interview instead of holding out for something like CAL/SW?
Funny, I know plenty of "minority" CA's. In casual conversation when you ask them "so, you got your stuff out everywhere?" Or "where have you applied to?" FedEx is rarely mentioned.
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Funny, I know plenty of "minority" CA's. In casual conversation when you ask them "so, you got your stuff out everywhere?" Or "where have you applied to?" FedEx is rarely mentioned.
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02-12-2007 | 09:06 AM
#44
Freightmama!
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Do jet:
And for the last ten years I've listened to more than a few people make assumptions about my qualifications, always before the receiving checklist. Captain mark is a Captain at the best paying carrier in the world, there are fewer minorities at FEDEX to challenge his curiosity and he still needs to flamebait this forum with the lie that somehow if you are a white male pilot, your outlook is bleak. Just sick of that self-righteous-self-pity. Leave that stuff on your easy-boy so it will be available to watch Rush Limbaugh and get over the fact that you WILL have to share the cockpit with people who don't look like you. Personally, it's not my problem, never applied to FEDEX and have been hired EVERYWHERE I ever applied. You can worry yourself sick wondering whether that is because I'm black or because I've applied myself, kept a good attitude and far exceeded the minimum requisite qualifications for employment. Me I'll be out enjoying my job flying with, more than likely, a pretty cool white-dude who enjoys flying with me. Good Luck.
And for the last ten years I've listened to more than a few people make assumptions about my qualifications, always before the receiving checklist. Captain mark is a Captain at the best paying carrier in the world, there are fewer minorities at FEDEX to challenge his curiosity and he still needs to flamebait this forum with the lie that somehow if you are a white male pilot, your outlook is bleak. Just sick of that self-righteous-self-pity. Leave that stuff on your easy-boy so it will be available to watch Rush Limbaugh and get over the fact that you WILL have to share the cockpit with people who don't look like you. Personally, it's not my problem, never applied to FEDEX and have been hired EVERYWHERE I ever applied. You can worry yourself sick wondering whether that is because I'm black or because I've applied myself, kept a good attitude and far exceeded the minimum requisite qualifications for employment. Me I'll be out enjoying my job flying with, more than likely, a pretty cool white-dude who enjoys flying with me. Good Luck.
02-12-2007 | 09:43 AM
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Sorry Dojet, it seems that in my rant I never answered your question. As a minority, I never felt that I would be welcomed at FEDEX, and therefore never applied. I think it's a great company, but they don't proactively recruit minorities, and if you don't know what it's like to work where you don't feel welcomed, you shouldn't reply to that comment. If I'm ever furloughed again, I'll send captainmark my resume, he'll get me hired just because I'm black. Captainmark, will I have to go to the right seat or is there a direct to Captain minority program over there?
Like you said, FedEx is the one of the best paying jobs right now, and consequently has a large application pool. If, and thats if, the legacies were to regain the pay/work rules lost, would FedEx fall off the radar for their hiring practices? Would minorities suddenly stop applying to FedEx and apply to the "glamourous" pax carriers instead?
You talked about entitlement before, as well as self-righteous self-pity. I'm sorry, but white males are not the only people that may have this problem.
Last edited by dojetdriver; 02-12-2007 at 10:00 AM.
02-12-2007 | 05:33 PM
#46
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Why use the phrase "minority hiring record?" I thought we were all judged equally? Looks like you don't think so, and I agree with you.
Looks like you think the airlines should hire a quota of minority pilots, who would ever think that was a fair way to hire pilots?
When I was at ASA all the minority pilots got preferential treatment at United and kids of active United pilots got "minority hiring status" I don't remember ONE European American male without military service getting an interview ZERO.
Then I get my interview at FedEx, the day I interviewed there were 11 of us. 9 had the required PIC time two did not. Guess what they were both minority pilots with Zero PIC time. I'll bet in the past 15 years there hasn't been one white male interview at FedEx without the PIC time required.
FedEx goes to all the AirInc job fairs and others. Ever wonder why since you have to have an internal reference? Who could they be looking for?
Not sure why everyone is so touchy about this. If your background, gender, or race helps you get the job great for you. No heart burn here, but don't kid yourself and think everyone is judged on a level playing field. The best pilots are not the ones who get hired, the lucky ones do. I'd take luck any day over skill and if a skirt, or skin color helps your luck play it for all you can. The pay is all the same.
CaptainMark is a minority himself ... he is a Yankee who likes the Dallas Cowboys
02-12-2007 | 06:09 PM
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Just this year...BC had a guy hired with NO PIC time. Right seat time ONLY...the instructors were told...this guys makes it through training no matter what. What is worse is this guy knew it and did not lift a finger to studdy...they had to spoon feed this guy and not a single negative comment in his record. The "man" said this is how it be...
As far as "luck" goes...FedEx and their axident record aint so "lucky."
Also...the last few months..."NO notice line checks" to ALL female pilots at FDX. Due to the "luck" factor...
As far as "luck" goes...FedEx and their axident record aint so "lucky."
Also...the last few months..."NO notice line checks" to ALL female pilots at FDX. Due to the "luck" factor...
02-12-2007 | 06:34 PM
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Why use the phrase "minority hiring record?" I thought we were all judged equally? Looks like you don't think so, and I agree with you.
Looks like you think the airlines should hire a quota of minority pilots, who would ever think that was a fair way to hire pilots?
When I was at ASA all the minority pilots got preferential treatment at United and kids of active United pilots got "minority hiring status" I don't remember ONE European American male without military service getting an interview ZERO.
Then I get my interview at FedEx, the day I interviewed there were 11 of us. 9 had the required PIC time two did not. Guess what they were both minority pilots with Zero PIC time. I'll bet in the past 15 years there hasn't been one white male interview at FedEx without the PIC time required.
FedEx goes to all the AirInc job fairs and others. Ever wonder why since you have to have an internal reference? Who could they be looking for?
Not sure why everyone is so touchy about this. If your background, gender, or race helps you get the job great for you. No heart burn here, but don't kid yourself and think everyone is judged on a level playing field. The best pilots are not the ones who get hired, the lucky ones do. I'd take luck any day over skill and if a skirt, or skin color helps your luck play it for all you can. The pay is all the same.
CaptainMark is a minority himself ... he is a Yankee who likes the Dallas Cowboys
Looks like you think the airlines should hire a quota of minority pilots, who would ever think that was a fair way to hire pilots?
When I was at ASA all the minority pilots got preferential treatment at United and kids of active United pilots got "minority hiring status" I don't remember ONE European American male without military service getting an interview ZERO.
Then I get my interview at FedEx, the day I interviewed there were 11 of us. 9 had the required PIC time two did not. Guess what they were both minority pilots with Zero PIC time. I'll bet in the past 15 years there hasn't been one white male interview at FedEx without the PIC time required.
FedEx goes to all the AirInc job fairs and others. Ever wonder why since you have to have an internal reference? Who could they be looking for?
Not sure why everyone is so touchy about this. If your background, gender, or race helps you get the job great for you. No heart burn here, but don't kid yourself and think everyone is judged on a level playing field. The best pilots are not the ones who get hired, the lucky ones do. I'd take luck any day over skill and if a skirt, or skin color helps your luck play it for all you can. The pay is all the same.
CaptainMark is a minority himself ... he is a Yankee who likes the Dallas Cowboys
Amen!!!!!!!!!!
02-12-2007 | 06:34 PM
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From: FDX A300 CPT
Just this year...BC had a guy hired with NO PIC time. Right seat time ONLY...the instructors were told...this guys makes it through training no matter what. What is worse is this guy knew it and did not lift a finger to studdy...they had to spoon feed this guy and not a single negative comment in his record. The "man" said this is how it be...
As far as "luck" goes...FedEx and their axident record aint so "lucky."
Also...the last few months..."NO notice line checks" to ALL female pilots at FDX. Due to the "luck" factor...
As far as "luck" goes...FedEx and their axident record aint so "lucky."
Also...the last few months..."NO notice line checks" to ALL female pilots at FDX. Due to the "luck" factor...
Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
02-12-2007 | 07:30 PM
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Ben Salley
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Why use the phrase "minority hiring record?" I thought we were all judged equally? Looks like you don't think so, and I agree with you.
I agree with your agreement.
Looks like you think the airlines should hire a quota of minority pilots, who would ever think that was a fair way to hire pilots?
Don't agree. The last thing a qualified minority pilot wants is another minority who isn't qualified. It feeds contempt.
When I was at ASA all the minority pilots got preferential treatment at United and kids of active United pilots got "minority hiring status" I don't remember ONE European American male without military service getting an interview ZERO.
U R wrong to believe being a minority is somehow easy.
Then I get my interview at FedEx, the day I interviewed there were 11 of us. 9 had the required PIC time two did not. Guess what they were both minority pilots with Zero PIC time.
BY DESIGN! The minority guys with the qualifications (PIC Turbine), and there is no shortage, were not invited to join FEDEX.....R U starting to get it?
I'll bet in the past 15 years there hasn't been one white male interview at FedEx without the PIC time required.
FedEx goes to all the Air Inc job fairs and others. Ever wonder why since you have to have an internal reference? Who could they be looking for?
Not sure why everyone is so touchy about this.
You couldn't be.
If your background, gender, or race helps you get the job great for you.
It's not great, because I have to listen to this rationalization. I've always had the qualifications and have always fell into the top 10% of my peers. AND I'd like to believe my qualifications got me my job. If not, then the system is indeed flawed. Why is this your assumption?
No heart burn here, but don't kid yourself and think everyone is judged on a level playing field. The best pilots are not the ones who get hired, the lucky ones do. I'd take luck any day over skill and if a skirt, or skin color helps your luck play it for all you can.
You've never had to explain..."why you fly so well" or "where did you get your experience" as if it were an anomaly. And STILL assume that I got something preferential or help.
The pay is all the same.
Money isn't everything, hence my failure to apply to airlines with certain corporate culture.
Captain Mark is a minority himself ... he is a Yankee who likes the Dallas Cowboys
I agree with your agreement.
Looks like you think the airlines should hire a quota of minority pilots, who would ever think that was a fair way to hire pilots?
Don't agree. The last thing a qualified minority pilot wants is another minority who isn't qualified. It feeds contempt.
When I was at ASA all the minority pilots got preferential treatment at United and kids of active United pilots got "minority hiring status" I don't remember ONE European American male without military service getting an interview ZERO.
U R wrong to believe being a minority is somehow easy.
Then I get my interview at FedEx, the day I interviewed there were 11 of us. 9 had the required PIC time two did not. Guess what they were both minority pilots with Zero PIC time.
BY DESIGN! The minority guys with the qualifications (PIC Turbine), and there is no shortage, were not invited to join FEDEX.....R U starting to get it?
I'll bet in the past 15 years there hasn't been one white male interview at FedEx without the PIC time required.
FedEx goes to all the Air Inc job fairs and others. Ever wonder why since you have to have an internal reference? Who could they be looking for?
Not sure why everyone is so touchy about this.
You couldn't be.
If your background, gender, or race helps you get the job great for you.
It's not great, because I have to listen to this rationalization. I've always had the qualifications and have always fell into the top 10% of my peers. AND I'd like to believe my qualifications got me my job. If not, then the system is indeed flawed. Why is this your assumption?
No heart burn here, but don't kid yourself and think everyone is judged on a level playing field. The best pilots are not the ones who get hired, the lucky ones do. I'd take luck any day over skill and if a skirt, or skin color helps your luck play it for all you can.
You've never had to explain..."why you fly so well" or "where did you get your experience" as if it were an anomaly. And STILL assume that I got something preferential or help.
The pay is all the same.
Money isn't everything, hence my failure to apply to airlines with certain corporate culture.
Captain Mark is a minority himself ... he is a Yankee who likes the Dallas Cowboys
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